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Requested move 13 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved per WP:SNOW. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:36, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak → 2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo ebola virus outbreak – per Zaire ebolavirus, ebola itself is decapped. Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Oppose: The current article name is correct: Ebola virus is the correct name for the EBOV virus itself, which is what is being referred to here. The fact that Ebola virus is the single member of Zaire ebolavirus, which is in turn one of the five species within the genus Ebolavirus, is highly confusing, but "Ebola virus" it is. -- The Anome (talk) 10:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • oppose and agree 100% w/ The Anome--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose The word "Ebola" by itself is capitalized as a proper noun because it's named after the Ebola River. The rules for capitalizing viruses follow a more scientific naming system, but not "Ebola" by itself. Art LaPella (talk) 13:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose: I agree with The Anome, the capitalization of the term "Ebola" is accurate. Anonymuss User (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Requested move 14 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved(non-admin closure) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak → 2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. Inowen (nlfte) 07:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC) The name "Kivu" is unique enough and not ambiguous, and a simple title is easier to type and find. PS:Also make 2018 DRC ebola outbreak a redirect.-Inowen (nlfte) 07:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

  • oppose it may not be a bad idea(the title is long) however will readers look for DRC (Democratic Republic of the Congo) or Kivu, the 'media' rarely call it Kivu?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
There is a 2017 Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak. So similar title may work. Qualitist (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
it could, but keep in mind we just had another outbreak 2018 Équateur province Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak ,lets wait for more opinions...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support as better title. Qualitist (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support the current title is ridiculously long and Kivu does not require disambiguation, as is evidenced by its article. Brycehughes (talk) 01:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • would support at the very least it needs to have virus included ….2018 Kivu Ebola virus outbreak--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree. Brycehughes (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps Ebola would suffice then. I'm happy either way. Brycehughes (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree. Simple "Ebola" is more common. Qualitist (talk) 00:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
looking at all comments I'll agree(however, bear in mind this could be short lived as Uganda is on high alert[1], any case there would warrant another move)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I think if we take Wikipedia precedent, for what it's worth (I know, I know...), in that Kivu requires no disambiguation and Ebola is a redirect to Ebola virus disease, the original move request is probably fine and should perhaps be applied to others of its ilk as well. Brycehughes (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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Editing and Formatting

This post could benefit from some proper formatting and editing. Right now, the sections appear out of order. And, the narrative does not flow well. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Uganda Case

There probably should be some mention about the suspected case in Uganda yesterday. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

several have been mentioned, none have been positive--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

WHO Section

There probably should be a section on the WHO decision not to declare a PHEIC. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

it is mentioned in the text--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Military Debate

This article might benefit from some discussion about the debate over the proper use of military forces in Ebola response. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

only important as far as Ebola outbreak and hindering vaccination--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Characteristics

There probably should be some mention of distinguishing characteristics. This was an often cited section of the CRS report on the West Africa Outbreak. And the current post fails to explicitly address them. KivuOutbreak (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

it may be done via consensus depending on how the outbreak progressses--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

First, second, or third?

The end of the introduction should be rewritten to say consistently that this outbreak is the second biggest. It seems to say that it's third ("Currently only two outbreaks in recorded history have had more cases"), first ("the 2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak surpassed the total case count of each that had occurred before") and then second ("becoming the second biggest EVD outbreak ever behind only the West Africa epidemic"). Art LaPella (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

yes your right, Im going to give it a try Art, Id appreciate any help Im not too good with wording--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
That wording resolves my objection above. However I wonder if the November 9 paragraph should be there at all, now that the November 29 paragraph has surpassed it. Any outbreak starts from a single case, and moves up the list of biggest outbreaks. The Black Death article doesn't say "In 1340 it was the 13th biggest epidemic. Next month it became the 12th biggest. 3 weeks later it became the 11th ..." Art LaPella (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
ok[2] this goes halfway, it leaves the date it became the biggest in DRC history...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

2nd biggest EVD

Evolution of the 2014 Ebola outbreak in semiLog plot.

may add this graph now that we're in "semi-uncharted waters"....--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

This graph would be useful. Qualitist (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

election violence

apparently internet has been cut by DRC gov?[3]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:06, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

info removed re vaccine

I've removed the following:

Although the Ebola vaccine has had efficacy, a review by Medaglini et al. indicated that "long-term protection is undefined" via the vaccine mechanism.[1]

It seems to me that this info would be better posted at the virus article. Please return if there is not agreement. Gandydancer (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree w/ you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Oz. BTW, what a great article! I've made a few minor edits to update wording and a few things that a brand new set of eyes sometimes sees, though feel free to revert anything I've done. My main concern here was the tragic way that women are being treated. Besides the unfairness of it, how can one carry out proper ring procedure when some contacts are left out? Goddamn bureaucrats, how I hate them... Gandydancer (talk) 04:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Do I smell a reason to SUE??? Let the feeding frenzy begin! :( Art LaPella (talk) 05:06, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thank you Gandy, I feel the article is better with your editing, yes a new set of eyes is best--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah Oz, I can do the same thing on my own edits when I leave an article for a few weeks and then look back on it. Perhaps you've had the same experience? BTW, I guess the three of us are pretty Ebola-experienced - this looks very, very bad, doesn't it. As bad as the West Coast epidemic was, it looks like this one is going to be worse. Gandydancer (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, a break from an article for awhile sometimes helps.... there are two big differences 1. this outbreak is driven by violence, if a vaccine had not existed, IMO it would have surpassed West Africa very easily, 2 the population of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea is 23 million combined, DRC is approaching 90 million by itself--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:31, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

ref

  1. ^ Medaglini, Donata; Santoro, Francesco; Siegrist, Claire-Anne (21 July 2018). "Correlates of vaccine-induced protective immunity against Ebola virus disease". Seminars in Immunology. 39: 65–72. doi:10.1016/j.smim.2018.07.003. ISSN 1096-3618. PMID 30041831. – via ScienceDirect (Subscription may be required or content may be available in libraries.)

New Outbreak Without Corresponding Article

In light of recent events in the Congo, discussed in the British Medical Journal's article here [4]. I'd welcome some organization on a new article corresponding to a newer outbreak for discussion. 174.113.101.67 (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

this is the article, or am I mistaken in answering your question...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry I assumed 2018 title name meant it was contained. I'd make a second suggestion, revising the name from 2018 kivu to 2018-2019 Kivu Ebola Outbreak, and perhaps even link reference to the BMJ as its the most recent authoratative report on the disease.174.113.101.67 (talk) 02:01, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I believe a title change is in order, however it may very well be to 'epidemic' plus the date--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Yup this sounds reasonable. The incidence rate seems to be accelerating from Dec onward, with this month being particularly notable. Calling it a 2018 Outbreak may be misleading for posterity reasons. 174.113.101.67 (talk) 07:05, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
World Health Organisation issued a warning of the virus spreading from Democratic Republic of Congo to Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and South Sudan.[5] the outbreak is moving should it get to any or multiple countries, then per definition its an epidemic(not posterity...IMO)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
It is good to have such a knowledgeable person such as Ozzie watching this article. Gandydancer (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
its good to have a great mentor like Gandy--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Is there any update on the article name question? It's particularly odd to label it 2018 now it's still ongoing as of Feb, when there's a second 2018 outbreak to consider. Btw, I'm about to link this from the Viruses portal, so would value a ping if/when the move is performed. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 20:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
This is the way WP titles our disease outbreak/epidemic/pandemic articles. See for example 2009 flu pandemic. It went on through 2010. Gandydancer (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
We've certainly done both in the relatively recent past, eg 2015–16 Zika virus epidemic, 2013–14 chikungunya outbreak, 2016–18 Yemen cholera outbreak. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I note that the 2016-18 cholera outbreak is still going on and the chikungunya outbreak didn't end till April 2015. Gandydancer (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Graph format

As pointed out by an expert on Ebola epidemiology, using Comic Sans (or similar) font to representing mortality data is inappropriate. Wikipedia notes that Comic Sans is "intended for use in informal documents and children's materials". 2001:67C:10EC:5783:8000:0:0:5 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

will look(as the graph is much too big [6] will therefore skip every other date starting next week)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:35, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Additionally, it would be a lot easier to read without the data labels (with or without every second date) - each bar on the graph can be interpreted easily enough using the axis. Matilda Maniac (talk) 08:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Kivu Ebola epidemic/Archive 2
Date
Country Cases Deaths Last update
Democratic Republic of the Congo Democratic Republic of the Congo 0 0
x 0 0
Total 0 0 as of 0 December 2019

if needed

 Done should the need arise, a table for more than one country...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 02:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

2018-> 2018-2019

have moved article per discussion--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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Can we change the title from "2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak" to 2018-2019 Kivu Ebola Outbreak as it is still considered ongoing in May 2019?

Rtbittaker (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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Dead link

I noticed that the reference just added at the end of 2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak#Projected cases[1] doesn't work. It says removed by author. Art LaPella (talk) 14:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

thanks Art, will look(added direct link,however may try to find better article) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Ferrández, M. R., Ivorra, B., Ortigosa, P. M., Ramos, Á. M., & J.L. Redondo. (2019). Application of the Be-CoDiS model to the 2018-19 Ebola Virus Disease outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Complutense University of Madrid. https://doi.org/10.13140/rg.2.2.13267.63521

R or p?

"According to Tariq, et al in a March 2019 paper indicated rho = −0.37, p < 0.001 oscillating around 0.9 (range: 0–1.8), with R at about 0.9.[2]" That says that p is less than 0.001, but it oscillates around 0.9, which is more than 0.001. The reference says that it's R that oscillates around 0.9, not p. I'm reluctant to rewrite it because although I've studied statistics, I don't recognize rho and p. Also, the sentence has a predicate with no subject, but I'll fix that when I figure out what it means. Art LaPella (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Art I changed it[7] however please add if you can see an improvement in wording, thank you as always--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved per consensus.(non-admin closure) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

2018–19 Kivu Ebola outbreak → 2018–19 Kivu Ebola epidemic – per Ministry of health Uganda has several cases and deaths[8], aside from ongoing EVD in Democratic Republic of the Congo which is in the thousands (+2000 cases/+1000 deaths)[9] Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

in use:
  • Ilunga Kalenga, Oly; Moeti, Matshidiso; Sparrow, Annie; Nguyen, Vinh-Kim; Lucey, Daniel; Ghebreyesus, Tedros A. (29 May 2019). "The Ongoing Ebola Epidemic in the Democratic Republic of Congo, 2018–2019". New England Journal of Medicine. 0: null. doi:10.1056/NEJMsr1904253. ISSN 0028-4793.
  • support as nominator... (Green, Manfred S.; Swartz, Tiberio; Mayshar, Elana; Lev, Boaz; Leventhal, Alex; Slater, Paul E.; Shemer, Joshua. "When is an epidemic an epidemic?". The Israel Medical Association journal: IMAJ. 4 (1): 3–6. ISSN 1565-1088. PMID 11802306. Retrieved 15 June 2019.)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • leaning support - I read the paper (interesting BTW - fulltext is here.). While this one is smaller than the big one of a few years ago it is far larger than all others, and has crossed into a different country. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:55, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Yes if the sources calls it that. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Does not have to cross border to be an epidemic. Historically, a number of epidemics are named after the region they occurred in eg. Plague of Athens. "epidemic- spread to a large number of people in a given population within a short period of time". This calls the outbreak an epidemic. [10]They are often used interchangeably. Both words have same definition from my understanding. [11],. WHO appears to use outbreak and a number of scientists/epidemiologists/medical journals use epidemic. This may be useful [12]. There is [13] and Many epidemiologists use the terms outbreak and epidemic interchangeably, but the public is more likely to think that epidemic implies a crisis situation.[14].Whispyhistory (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Whispyhistory, thanks for your link--indeed it was interesting. For this article we'd likely use the name the WHO uses. Gandydancer (talk) 14:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not opposed to move, but we usually go by sources and WHO continues to call it an outbreak (eg [15]). Espresso Addict (talk) 02:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment – Still leaning oppose because of the pesky COMMONNAME. @Ozzie10aaaa:, can you provide more examples of scholarly works that refer to this "outbreak" as an "epidemic". It would be easier to ignore what the popular media calls it if we had more examples of scientific papers that use "epidemic" in this case in particular, and not just in general. My search of PubMed and Google Scholars only flagged the article mentioned above and this one but many more that use "outbreak". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  • if you look at the explanation and links Whispyhistory gave(above) I think it is more than enough...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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West African epidemic graph

I removed this because I thought it was extremely confusing; until I actually clicked on it, I had assumed it was depicting the current outbreak. If it is to be retained, then it needs to be introduced much more clearly as a comparator. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

you are right about clarity, there are more graphs West African Ebola virus epidemic timeline of reported cases and deaths if I cant find a better one then we'll remove it--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
have changed[16]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 02:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Kenyan suspected case

Hello all,

Kenya investigated a suspected Ebola last Sunday case (16th June 2019) but came back negative for Ebola. Should this go into the article, or is the standard procedure to wait until a confirmed case? Got a couple of sources for your information below.

Sources: [1][2]

5.148.112.67 (talk) 11:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

if every suspected case went into the article it would be enormous, best to keep it to those who have been confirmed--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

References

References

  1. ^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-48657201?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5d07af43197fca066d235844%26No%20Ebola%20in%20Kenya%262019-06-17T15%3A31%3A47.389Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:bb105fc6-0ba2-4122-9e4d-13ec2cafc693&pinned_post_asset_id=5d07af43197fca066d235844&pinned_post_type=share
  2. ^ https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kenya-investigates-patient-ebola-symptoms-63756299

Figure 10 : Ebolaepedimie showing Geimpfte personen

Can an English language graph be sourced for en-wikipedia for the graph in Vaccination section ? Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

will look--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Currently

It says "There are currently 27 contacts being followed.[4]" I tried to update "currently" with a date, but the reference says "92 contacts under follow up". Art LaPella (talk) 17:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

thank you Art, have deleted sentence in question, since it lends itself to confusion and is not needed, IMO, due to the sentence that comes immediately after it--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:08, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Warning icon Daily DRC Ministry of Health updateWarning icon

daily update may be affected due to turmoil at the MOH DR Congo health minister resigns in Ebola row will be using Ebola WHO dashboard[17] (often slow)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

other possible sources:ebola twitter,ebola DRC news

Spread to Goma

"On 14 July 2019, the first case of EVD was confirmed in the capital of North Kivu, Goma, a city with an international airport and a highly mobile population of 2 million people, which is directly adjacent to Rwanda to the west."
Rwanda is east of Goma, not west—or is the sentence trying to say that Goma is west of Rwanda? Milkunderwood (talk) 05:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll make it "... right at the DRC's eastern border with Rwanda." Feel free to reword further. Art LaPella (talk) 07:29, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Tanzania

WHO signals alarm over possible unreported Ebola cases in Tanzania--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:17, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

It is so reassuring to know that you stay on top of info related to this crisis. Gandydancer (talk) 22:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
because I learn how to be a good editor, from you Gandy, thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2020

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The result of the move request was:per 3 of 4 comments it has been suggested to move to Kivu Ebola epidemic should any editor be of a different opinion or wish to raise another move request please do so(non-admin closure)-- Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

2018–2020 Kivu Ebola epidemic → 2018–present Kivu Ebola epidemic – This could also continue into 2021. Until it is certain that the event would not continue into 2021, we should use the word "present". GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

  • comment Im neutral on this, however should you wish to pursue a move perhaps Kivu Ebola epidemic may be better, much like Western African Ebola virus epidemic (they are both 1st and 2nd biggest EVD outbreak ever)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Though uncertain, it is unlikely that the epidemic will continue into 2021, because the article's statistics show the death rate has slowed from a peak of about 12 per day 8 months ago, to about 1 per day now. What is certain is that "2018-present" will eventually require another name change, and a long list of "What Links Here" changes, when the epidemic no longer continues in the present. "Kivu Ebola epidemic" solves both problems, although it is another change. Art LaPella (talk) 04:36, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • comment I'd favour staying with the current name, and review again in December 2020 if it is still continuing. Matilda Maniac (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Oppose change to "present". I like the suggestion of Kivu Ebola epidemic; this is going to be the second-largest Ebola outbreak for some time and giving it an easier to recall, stable, name might well be beneficial. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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Update of numbers?

Hi, since nobody edited the article and i found out new cases and deaths reported than it was on 26 februrary, do we include that? https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331619/OEW13-2329032020.pdf Andreiii3213 (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC+1)

please see remarks above--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

What to do?

Ozzie, I saw the note on your page. How do you think we should handle this? Gandydancer (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2020 (UTC) WHO source: [18] Gandydancer (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Gandy, we could do an article however:
1 its Zaire ebolavirus the strain we have the vaccine for
2 its not related to the other outbreak in Kivu
3 its not going anywhere ('virally' speaking) the chaos that exists in eastern DRC is non-existent in the western area, hence no problem for contact tracing or vaccines or any medically related activity
however if you feel that we should go ahead and create an article then Im all for it--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I've had time to put some thought into it and came to the same conclusion that you have. We can open a new section here and add all the current info that we can find and then continue to update that info in hopes that the new area of cases will not explode into another major outbreak. If that happens we can start the new article. Do you want to open a new section here or should I? PS: If we keep it all together here do you think we need to change the title to DRC outbreak? Gandydancer (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
lets open new section (you are much better at this than I), as for title lets wait for the time being[19]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Well so far so good. Ozzie, what about the 2018 outbreak in Equateur Province article? Do you think you should put a note over there? Or a small section in the lead or at the body of the article...or both...about this new outbreak? Anyway, cross your fingers that this one does not get out of hand but is quickly controlled like the last one. Gandydancer (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Should the new section go in Section 1.1.4 rather than at almost the bottom of this reasonably long article? a Wikipedia article doesn't have to be completely chronologically structured. Matilda Maniac (talk) 09:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I have added a sentence to the introduction for the 2018 Équateur province Ebola outbreak article too. Matilda Maniac (talk) 09:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
thank you Gandy, (Matilda article looks good)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Matilda, the reason I distanced it from the rest of the article rather than add it to the DCR section was to make it very plain that it is not connected to this outbreak. Though perhaps an argument could be made to move the mention of this new outbreak to the article for the previous one in the same area... What do you think? Gandydancer (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I think your argument to "make it very plain that it is not connected to this outbreak" is a huge supposition on your behalf that it is not connected to this outbreak. It may well be, but too early to tell. Therefore I think it belongs far higher up in the article at this point. Also i think that at this point simply copying all this information into the 2018 Équateur province Ebola outbreak article at least makes it consistent, at least until such time as a new article for this is created. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
agree w/ Gandydancer, lets discuss--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Article on the 1976 Zaire Ebola virus outbreak

I have created an article for the 1976 Zaire Ebola virus outbreak, which is largely taken from the existing article on Yambuku. This article on the village is >90% about the Ebola virus outbreak, and is therefore very unbalanced as an article on geography. As the bulk of this is about the virus outbreak, I have done a little copy-edit and created a stand-alone article and some links. However, it starts as just a Stub today, and obviously needs more detail. Your help in expanding and improving on this new article is appreciated. Matilda Maniac (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Good idea and nice work. I remember years ago when I first started working with these I thought it odd in that the village was used to tell of the outbreak. Do you think we should pare the Yambuku article back now that we have the new one? Gandydancer (talk) 01:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done Matilda Maniac (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Matilda the article looks great--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC) (BTW did redirect for this article/2020 DRC Ebola outbreak)

Discussions on the 1976 Sudan outbreak

I wonder what we should do about the Sudan outbreak. "This first recorded outbreak of the Ebola virus would claim the lives of 151 of the 284 infected." Most of the interesting stuff is from the Zaire outbreak and Sudan would only use a few lines. I think it would be good to combine them into the same article. What do others think? Gandydancer (talk) 02:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The article on List of Ebola outbreaks mentions this as SUDV rather than EBOV, and some of the other articles and associated references discuss that these were unrelated events. I don't think combining is a good idea if they are only temporally similar, rather than genetically related, or geographically related. Matilda Maniac (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, is this Talk page the most appropriate place for these sort of discussions (in terms of the traffic that would visit here, and therefore the breadth of possible consensus), rather than a particular Task Force? Matilda Maniac (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
agree w/ combining per Gandydancer--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
It's hard to believe that the two were unrelated--one can only guess that it had come into being similar to the way the COVID-19 virus emerged from some animal population. You can see here that the two villages are located close to each other [20]. Gandydancer (talk) 02:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
yes this is further proof--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 09:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Dates

There are some dates in the article without a year given. (Are they all 2018?) The article would be clearer if the year was added to those dates. Lavateraguy (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

will look--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

timeline of reported cases/table

extended comment
  • starting with [1] the table will be updated every two weeks as the table has become quite long--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Outbreaks and emergencies WHO afro" (PDF). WHO. Retrieved 12 December 2019.

end of outbreak?

  • the epidemic has gone almost one 21 day period without a case, another 21 day period would bring an end to the 2nd biggest Ebola outbreak ever, therefore unless there is any case between now and the end of the outbreak:
finally the main graph may wait for the final plot of numbers(if no more cases show up, and 2 periods of 21 days go by, which is the incubation period)...additionally the suspected cases will go down and therefore the curve will be prominent at the end of graph--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

flare-up

World Health Organization--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

second outbreak

there is an outbreak in Equateur province[21] will add to Ebola list(article[22]), will determine as events warrant if article should be put up--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I have fixed the formatting at the top of the huge table, which is technically inside Kivu Ebola epidemic#Countries with medically evacuated individuals. I don't think that a 95-row data table belongs in an encyclopedia article. Is there a website somewhere that we could link to instead? "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to...amount of detail" is an WP:ELYES characteristic. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
to be frank I did the table one row at a time for more than a year (you can check the history), however your correct it may be a bit much for GAN. Maybe collapsing part of it towards the last 10 rows (or some similar remedy) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I wonder if it could be cut down to a few key dates. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:20, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
well we can collapse the first 75 rows and leave 20-ish rows (anyone who wants to see all the table can just expand) the tables purpose is to see how it was going week by week in DRC (and Uganda) so collapsing table is best ...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
note
  • note:while Ive submitted to GA anticipate finishing the other #3 first, we'll see--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Review comments

I am doing an informal review which might become a GA review if I have the time and inclination. I will report here as I go and if anyone else chooses to take up the GA review while I am busy they are both welcome to do so and welcome to use my comments or not. This way if I don't get to finish, the article does not lose its place in the queue · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

should above editor , be too busy will proceed as indicated above--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 03:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Short description

Satisfactory

Lead

  • Lead is long, but so is article. I suggest adding end date to end of first paragraph as I think that will be useful to the casual reader who may not go further. Everything there seems relevant, and I see no point in forcing the paragraph number down. Concepts are well arranged
  • Language is clear and accessible, no problems with spelling, grammar or idiom.
  • Lead sentence does the job without redundancy.
  • All paragraphs relevant.
  • Coverage? (to be completed as I read other sections) · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Epidemiology

File:2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak (total cases-death as of Oct.16.jpg is partly illegible, can this be fixed? It also uses ambiguous date formatting contra MOS:DATE.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Becoming the 2nd biggest EVD outbreak

3 of the graphs are too low resolution for dates to be legible. Not sure if that breaks any rule.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Table 1. Timeline of reported cases

  • Formatting problem in table header? is Table 1 supposed to be in italic bold with single quotes?
  • (see note 1) - where is it? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
    I went in a fixed the note 1 issue. but additional question, why are there so many {{spaces}} templates through the table? It makes it succeptible to misformatting on narrower screens. Recommend using formatting per table column if seeking fine control of alignment. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 07:43, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Virology

  • new Ebola outbreak is caused - outbreak is over.
  • File:Genomic epidemiology of the 2018-19 Ebola epidemic.jpg is rather obscure. I am familiar with cladograms in botany and zoology, but am unable to read this one. Some explanation might help. The caption is rather incomprehensible.
  • Caption "as of Oct. 2019 the outbreak is slowing down" - outbreak is over. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Transmission

  • How does one actually catch it? What are the entry points?
  • Is there a main article or a section of another article on transmission? How long does the virus remain infectious when not in a living body? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

History

Map: Does not say which are Marburg and which are Ebola. Not obvious what is relevance of Marburg.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Response

World bank response criticised by whom? Neutral POV? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

References/verifiability

Spot checks good so far (7) · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Terminology

Ring vaccination mentioned several times. Is it important enough for a brief description in article? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Quality of prose

Breadth of coverage

Seems appropriate so far.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Neutrality

Generally acceptable so far. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Illustrations

  • A few issues with legibility of low resolution graphs. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Illustrations appear to be relevant and most have suitable captions. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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