Talk:Kodály method

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So Mi[edit]

I don't know much about the Kodaly Method specifically (that's why I'm reading this) but I'd like to point out that in the section "Melodic sequence and pentatony" it is mentioned that "Revised Kodály exercises begin with the [minor third} (so-mi)". This is a bit confusing without the indication that this is a reference to a descending interval. I would have written (mi-so) instead, as I believe it is conventional to refer to intervals as ascending unless otherwise indicated. Of course, this may be different in the Kodaly method, thus I have not edited the article. --Happypc 14:07 03 March, 2008 (PST)

The two notes are usually sung in descending order (so-mi) when first introduced. --dbolton (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

s-m is the correct designation as it refers to the descending minor third that is so common in children's folk music. i.e. Rain, Rain. This s-m designation should be looked at as a note group rather than just an interval. While Kodaly educators do teach intervals, they do so in the context of note groups. After s-m comes slsm, sml etc.... These note groups were determined based on children's folk music and are carefully sequenced to build one upon the other.--Chvickery (talk) 16:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kodaly Rhythm Names:[edit]

I have noticed that it has become increasingly prevalent in this decade, that the syllables attached to quavers(UK) / 1/8 notes(US) are 'ti-ti' = t + i. Perhaps the practitioners are sounding 'ti' as in the word "tea", however if I may elucidate.

Having been taught this system in Scotland in the 1960's when it was called French Time Language (Cheve) the same rhythm group was termed 'Ta-te', that is T + a, the first vowel and t + e, the second vowel. It is disappointing to discover that those who have resurrected the Kodaly/French Time Language system seem not to understand its internal logic and the fact that it is based on 'variation by division' and is not 'additive' in nature. Those schooled in Scotland in the 1960's will remember that on the back of government issue school jotters often was depicted a table of rhythms and their values starting from the top: 1 semi-breve, 2 minims (1/2 notes), 4 crotchets (1/4 notes), 8 quavers (1/8 notes) etc.

Therefore applied to rhythm language and the adoption of syllables based on the order of the vowels, 'a, e, i, o, u' and the use of T, F and S, letters which require one to exhale air in order to make the sound, each beat begins with 'Ta' = T + a. An additional 'a' signifies a subsequent beat e.g. Ta-a = a minim (1/2 note) or Ta-a-a-a = semi-breve (whole note). As regards the division of the beat, I will list rhythm groups as presented in the 1960's tables.

Simple Time: Ta = 1 crotchet (1/4 note), Sa = crotchet rest (1/4 note rest); the use of 's' denotes silence. Ta-te = 2 quavers (2 x 1/8 notes). Ta-fe-te-fe = 4 semi-quavers (4 x 1/16 notes). When teaching I have altered this group to sound Ta-fa-te-fe, to keep 'a' sounds on the first half of the beat; this facilitates the sounding of this group. Attaching a different name to each semi-quaver also aids the naming of the following groups. Ta-te-fe = 1 quaver + 2 semi-quavers (1 x 1/8 + 2 x 1/16 notes). Ta-fa-te = 2 semi-quavers + 1 quaver (2 x 1/16 + 1 x 1/8 note). Ta-e-fe = dotted quaver + semi-quaver (dotted 1/8 note + a 1/16 note) and vice versa = Ta-fa-e.

As regards: dotted crotchet + quaver, the use of 'a' on a subsequent beat is retained = Ta-a-te. Dotted crotchet + 2 semi-quavers = Ta-a-te-fe.

As regards Compound Time: The vowel 'i' may then be introduced and sounded as a short vowel as in the word "till". e.g. 3 quavers (3 x 1/8 notes) = Ta-te-ti. Quaver + 2 semi-quavers + quaver = Ta-te-fe-ti. Dotted quaver + semi-quaver + quaver = Ta-e-fe-ti and vice versa = Ta-fa-e-ti.

The logic of the system is perfectly simple and by allying it more closely to Language from which it is derived, it becomes so much easier to learn. I can vouch for this having taught this form of the system for fourteen years. Unfortunately this system lay dormant, abandoned because it was deemed old-fashioned. In its place came word rhythms which in turn were abandoned due to the fact that they lacked cohesion. Kodaly has now been revived but by a generation who were probably unaware of the original system.

Maureen McGarry-O'Hanlon BMus Hons (Univ. of Glasgow) ALCM (London College of Music) PGCE (Univ. of Durham) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.209.213 (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unclear what this long essay critiquing the rhythm name system adopted by Kodaly practitioners in the Uk has to do with the content of this page. The rhythm names currently used internationally are ta = crotchet, te-te or ti-ti for quaver, tiri or tika for semiquavers, and the ta-te-fe-ti version is no longer used. I know that the primary Kodaly practitioner in Scotland was taught the latter system (she mentions it regularly). I would suggest that this comment is irrelevant to the content Kodaly Wikipedia page as the page should be reflecting what is used and taught not what "should" be. Emo mz (talk) 11:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Colourstrings[edit]

This appears to be a variant of the Kodály method. An exhaustive search for sources has come up with nothing that covers it in any detail – it isn't in Grove, it gets only passing mentions in The Strad. It can be adequately covered with a sentence in the main article. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Colourstrings is effectively a method book series for Kindergarten, Piano and Strings. The organisation provides teacher training on how to use the books, which I think you have to do to advertise as a Colourstrings teacher. I agree it could be merged into this page. Emo mz (talk) 11:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Citations and footnotes[edit]

What is the citation format used on this page? (Last Name YEAR:PAGE) I have not seen this on any other Wikipedia page, and they do not provide a hyperlink to the references at the bottom of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.186.250 (talk) 15:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Page title[edit]

Kodaly isn't really a method. It's generally considered to be a methodology/approach so the title should be "Kodaly Methodology". Is there any way to correct this? Emo mz (talk) 11:55, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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