Talk:Kosta Browne

Hi I am wine writer being paid by Duckhorn to fix errors in this story. Can you remove the query about paid work? I also disclosed this on my own Wiki page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Liza Zimmerman (talk • contribs)

@Liza Zimmerman: If you are referring to the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on this page, it is advised per Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose. It's not a badge of shame; a paid editor operating within the rules should not feel any hesitation about making this disclosure openly. If anything, its removal could be interpreted as an attempt at concealment.

However, if you are referring to the {{paid contributions}} tag on the article page, then it can probably be removed. A considerable amount of non-neutral content was recently trimmed out since you left your comment. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Liza Zimmerman's edits Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

{[request for change]}Liza Zimmerman (talk)

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I am journalist being paid by Duckhorn to fix errors on this page. Please see the following errors:

Kosta Browne is not owned by Duckhorn. This needs to be removed: Sources: https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2018/07/kosta-browne-winery-sold-to-duckhorn-vineyards/

The winery is a Pinot Noir specialist needs to be added because that is the focus of the winery

Sources:

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/kosta-browne-winery-tasting-room https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2018/07/24/opening-new-doors-kosta-browne

The winery produces wine from multiple appellations outside of Sonoma--including Anderson Valley, Sonoma Coast, Russian River and Santa Lucia-- it is important for consumers to know that all the wines made by the winery are not from Sonoma.

Sources: http://www.leadersmag.com/issues/2013.1_Jan/Wine%20and%20Spirits/LEADERS-Dan-Kosta-Kosta-Browne-Winery.html http://www.princeofpinot.com/article/1384/

We need to correct that the winery is now owned by Duckhorn and no long Dan Kosta and MIcheal Brown

Sources: https://www.winespectator.com/articles/duckhorn-wine-company-buys-kosta-browne https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/Duckhorn-Wine-Co-buys-Kosta-Browne-13082045.php

In 2011 the winery won Wine Spectator's wine of the year award. This needs to be added as it is the most prestigious award from the top wine publication in the U.S. and has a huge effect on how a winery is perceived and prices its wines. Pls note your own page on this important publication: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_Spectator

Sources:

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/2300177-181/kosta-browne-pinot-named-wine https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53ba070ee4b0fd8434dd8621/t/554aa34de4b05cf1d166d1fc/1430954829853/WS+Wine+of+the+Year+kostabrowne.pdf

There are a few more changes but I would like to hear back about these first. Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. In order:

1. The company is not owned by Duckhorn? I assume that's a typo; the provided source says otherwise. See also #4 below.
2. That they specialize in Pinot Noir is right in the first sentence.
3. Anderson Valley and Sonoma Coast (the latter of which happens to be in Sonoma County, as is Russian River Valley) are explicitly mentioned already. Neither of the sources highlights that they don't have Sonoma Valley wines, so I don't see why that would be considered important.
4. The article already prominently and repeatedly mentions that the company is owned by Duckhorn.
5. The 2011 Wine of the Year award is already mentioned in the article.

In summary, all of those proposed changes (with the exception of the first, which contradicts the fourth) have been implemeented long ago, before this request. Huon (talk) 21:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Liza Zimmerman's edits

While the Anderson Valley is mentioned in the posting, all the regions the winery grows grapes in are not. Can we fix this error by noting that the winery also produces wines from the Sonoma Coast, Russian River Valley and the Santa Lucia Highlands: Sources: http://www.leadersmag.com/issues/2013.1_Jan/Wine%20and%20Spirits/LEADERS-Dan-Kosta-Kosta-Browne-Winery.html http://www.terroirist.com/2012/08/winery-profile-kosta-brown/

Can we change the error that the winery makes extracted wines and note that "The winery has become known for its production of cool-climate Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays. And that "Kosta Browne has defined an era of California Pinot Noir that is considered to be more generous and riper."

Sources: https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/Kosta-Browne-reverses-course-on-its-lush-ripe-12338836.php

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2018/07/18/duckhorn-acquires-kosta-browne

Can we update it to note that "Kosta Browne produces 14 different wines, including some from the well-known Cerise Vineyard, which they acquired in 2016.

Sources:

https://www.winespectator.com/articles/kosta-browne-buys-cerise-vineyards

Kosta Browne has the right to use the pictures that were posted on the page. Both photographers have given their permission. See:

Wed, Aug 21, 1:33 PM (5 days ago) to me

Hi Liza, The ticket # 201907151000904 is what I was sent. I will forward you the email Wikipedia sent me. Cheers, Frank

Frank Deras Photography

707 252 4900

http://www.frankderas.com

and I hereby affirm that I, Robert McClenahan, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached image as used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Picture_of_the_Duckhorn_Winery.jpg, and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work. I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Robert McClenahan Copyright holder July 15, 2019

Liza Zimmerman's edits

Can you please let me know about these?

While the Anderson Valley is mentioned in the posting, all the regions the winery grows grapes in are not. Can we fix this error by noting that the winery also produces wines from the Sonoma Coast, Russian River Valley and the Santa Lucia Highlands: Sources: http://www.leadersmag.com/issues/2013.1_Jan/Wine%20and%20Spirits/LEADERS-Dan-Kosta-Kosta-Browne-Winery.html http://www.terroirist.com/2012/08/winery-profile-kosta-brown/

Can we change the error that the winery makes extracted wines and note that "The winery has become known for its production of cool-climate Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays. And that "Kosta Browne has defined an era of California Pinot Noir that is considered to be more generous and riper."

Sources: https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/Kosta-Browne-reverses-course-on-its-lush-ripe-12338836.php

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2018/07/18/duckhorn-acquires-kosta-browne

Can we update it to note that "Kosta Browne produces 14 different wines, including some from the well-known Cerise Vineyard, which they acquired in 2016.Liza Zimmerman (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Sources:

https://www.winespectator.com/articles/kosta-browne-buys-cerise-vineyards

Kosta Browne has the right to use the pictures that were posted on the page. Both photographers have given their permission. See:

Wed, Aug 21, 1:33 PM (5 days ago) to me

Hi Liza, The ticket # 201907151000904 is what I was sent. I will forward you the email Wikipedia sent me. Cheers, Frank

Frank Deras Photography

707 252 4900

http://www.frankderas.com

and I hereby affirm that I, Robert McClenahan, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached image as used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ File:Picture_of_the_Duckhorn_Winery.jpg, and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work. I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Robert McClenahan Copyright holder July 15, 2019

The formatting of the request was broken. You do not need to add a new copy of {{connected contributor (paid)}} with every edit; there's one intact copy at the top of the talk page that indicates that you are paid for your contributions here. That's enough. The template for the request itself is {{request edit}}; please use that (including the double curly brackets).

Regarding the images, as I said at Talk:Duckhorn Vineyards, please be patient and wait until the photographers' emails have been processed. The image that was used on this page has been deleted; it will be restored when the permission has been sorted out. Please be patient.

Regarding the content, in order:

1. Not mentioning everything that could be said about Kosta Browne is not an error. Personally I don't see much of an issue with a list of appellations, but BubbaJoe123456 removed it when he trimmed overly promotional content. He may want to comment on this.
2. Now "has become known for its production of cool-climate Pinot Noirs and Chardonnays" - that is an error, or at the very least not supported by the independent source, which very much says that while they may want to work on their reputation, cool-climate wines aren't what they're known for (and neither are Chardonnays). Wikipedia is not the place for reputation management. The article already mentions that, while they're known for their extracted style, they have changed course. (I wrote that part quite some time ago when I de-spamified the page.)
3. The number of different wines they produce is likely to change frequently, and "well-known" is promotional fluff. Their acquisition of the vineyard in 2016 is already mentioned.

In summary,  Not done because the only proposal that isn't either already implemented or contradicted by the claimed source was controversial, and a consensus for that change should be established before implementation. Huon (talk) 02:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Please see my response to the edits below:

As someone who has written about wine for more than 20 years, sharing what appellations a winery produces wine in is very important for consumers to understand. It shows the depth and breath of their wines and their understanding of diverse terroir and climatic conditions. Almost every wine writer will want to know where a winery produces wine so please reinstate the appellations listed for Kosta Browne.

Cool climate wines produced in cooler climates are unique: https://winefolly.com/tutorial/cool-climate-wine/

The Sonoma Coast region where Kosta Browne makes wine is cool because of the Ocean breezes: https://www.winespectator.com/articles/wine-tip-the-true-california-sonoma-coast https://sonomawinegrape.org/about/sonoma-county-terroir/ https://www.sonomacounty.com/news/american-viticultural-areas-sonoma-county

Is is important from an educational perspective that readers understand what sets these wines apart. I think this important information should be shared on the page. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

First of all, there is no need to start a new discussion when you want to reply to an earlier comment. Every section heading comes with an "Edit" tab you can use to edit that section and reply right there. To make it easier to tell who wrote what, you can indent your reply by adding colons at the start of each paragraph; I have done that for you with the message above. You also don't have to re-add the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template with every request; it's at the top of the page, that's good enough.

As I said above, before implementing this request I'd like to hear from BubbaJoe123456 who removed the appelations earlier. Please give him some time to respond. If there's no response in a week or so, I'll implement the change (or, if I forget it, you're welcome to remind me either by making another request here or by leaving a message on my talk page).

The sources you present here might be suitable to expand our articles on Sonoma County wine or on climate categories in viticulture (which doesn't mention "cool climate" as a separate category). They do not mention Kosta Browne, however, and thus are unsuitable for this article. Huon (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)