Talk:Kota Vamsa

Kota kings are Kammas

Kota kings belong to Kamma caste. Pracash11 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Their housename (Telugu:"inti peru")is Kota and possibly modified to Kotta/Kotha/Kottai later, as the Vijayanagar empire spread to new cultural regions, encompassing Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and to a lesser extent, Kerala. The Kotas claimed shudra identity in inscriptions. Kota kings were rulers of Kammanadu, a region located on South Bank of River Krishna. 'Kota' means 'fort' and various sources mention this is an abbreviated form of the ancient city of 'Dharanikota', also known as Dhanyakatakam (Present day Amaravati)Pracash11 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC). The dhanunjaya gotra is present in Kammas in 12 housenames. Prominent historian p.v. parabrahma shastry cleary defined kotas are shudras and many historians identified kotas caste as Kamma. Kakatiyas had matrimonial alliances with the Kotas, who claimed Shudra status (Source: https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/IndiaKakatiyas.htm) The Kota housename and dhanunjaya gotra people of Kamma caste claim descendancy from kota vamsha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecknaw (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Dhananjaya gotra belongs to Kshatriya Rajus only, kammas dont have dhanunjaya gotra.

Please refer to the pages 159-161 in the book (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-d9IAvFOUHsC&pg=PA171&dq=dhanyakataka&lr=#PPA159,M1)and page 174 (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201713/page/n179).

It clearly says that Kota Ketaraja II was the ancestor of the three Kshatriya families of Datla, Jampana and Dantuluri. 

Like all historical books Sharada Devi also said Kota Kings were of Dhananjaya gotra and were ancestors of Dhananjaya gotra Kshatriya Rajus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryudu99 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Kota kings are Kammas only. They clearly mentioned their varna as Chathurtha Varna in inscriptions. Dhananjaya gotra is present in nearly 15 housenames of Kammas. Kota housename is also present in Kamma caste in large population and their gotra is dhanjaya. Many historians including p.v. parabrahma shastry confirmed kotas are shudras. Some historians say kotas are rajus based on some books and claims by rajus. But it is false. Rajus cannot claim chaturtha varna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecknaw (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)  

Atreya, Vasista, Dhananjaya, Bharadwaja, Kashyapa etc gotras are present in Kammas in large numbers. The Gandikota Kamma kings Mikkilineni Nayakas mentioned Bharadwaja as their gotra in inscriptions like this many examples are available. Kammas are originally Kshatriyas like rajus but due to some reasons became chaturthas. Religious changes among kammas into jainism and buddism and reconvertion to hinduism might be the reasons. Kammas lost Kshatriya identity and its practices and became chaturthas in this process.

Pracash11 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)After the Kotas fell out of favour as regional administrators with the later Kakatiya rulers, Rajus (Kshatriya officers) probably replaced them in the Guntur, Narasaraopet, Sattenepalle areas (Refer: Cynthia Talbot). The Kotas, who had a partial Kannada bloodline, migrated towards the Hoysalas and later to the newly formed Vijayanagar empire in the areas of Northern Karnataka, to seek political fortunes. AR 143 of 1935-36 mentions Kottai Bommaya Nayaka, the Mahasamantatipathi of Devaraya II of the Sangama line. 'Kottai' in Tamil and 'Kota' in Telugu/Kannada mean 'fort'. Kottai Bommaya Nayaka has granted lands in and around Tiruchirapally distict of Tamil Nadu, as per this inscription. Further, during the Vijayanagar expansion into Tamil Nadu, Kamma clans bearing surname 'Kotha' have been appointed Samantas of Tiruchirapalli (http://telugunewswire.blogspot.com/2017/02/kamma-is-community-largely-found-in.html). In an inscription found in the Arangettra Ayyanar temple in Thirupattoor village, Tiruchirapalli district of Tamil Nadu, vide AR No 599 of 1908, it is clearly mentioned a Kempamayana Nayaka, Son of Chikkanna Nayaka of the 'Kotta family' has made land grants for the maintenance and upkeep of the temple. There are still Kamma families bearing this surname (Kottai in Tamil) and identifying themselves as Kammas. This it is absolutely clear that the Kota dynasty were Kammas and were closely related to their kith in Karnataka (Kotas used the mythical bird 'Ganda Bherunda' in their seal/flag/coins, which was also used by the Hoysalas. This bird continues to be the represented in the state flag of Karnataka) Pracash11 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Gotra

Kota Kings belonged to Kshatriya Caste and were of Dhananjaya Gotra.

Please refer to the pages 159-161 in the book refered by you (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-d9IAvFOUHsC&pg=PA171&dq=dhanyakataka&lr=#PPA159,M1). It clearly says that Kota Ketaraja II was the ancestor of the three Kshatriya families of Datla, Jampana and Dantuluri. Like all historical books Sharada Devi also said Kota Kings were of Dhananjaya gotra and were ancestors of Dhananjaya gotra Kshatriya Rajus.

See below inscriptions 1. On a pillar in the Amareswara temple, guntur. Records in S. 1079, I&vara, gift of sheep for a lamp by Kavaliya-Singana-Peggada, the minister of the Mahamandale&vara Potaraja, the son of Chagi-Dora of the Durjaya family. 2. On a pillar lying in the prakara of the same temple. Records in S. 1082 gift of two lamps by Kallaya-Nayaka, the younger brother of Pota, the son of Chagi-Dora of the Durjaya family, and by his wife, who was the daughter of Muchchay.a-Nayaka of Rachchuru, of the same family where in chaagi claims durjaya vamsam (sudra community) kshatriyas claim the same lineage. do you support their claims??>><< So as kaakatiyans who were durjaya vamsa sudras still kshatriyas claim kakatiya lineage. see below inscriptions: 1.On the south wall of the shrine of the G oddess in the temple of Mallikarjuna, Mandapadu, Guntur Taluk, Guntur District. Date missing. The beginning is lost. The first nine lines of the remaining portion refer to a certain Prola, son of Vidda-Nayaka and Vennama. The remaining lines contain details of lands granted to certain temples and persons. 2. On a mutilated Nandi pillar lying near the temple of Mulasthanesvara, Tadikonda, same District. Undated. Incomplete. Refers to certain gifts of land made by the grandson of Kota Venammadevi. Where in Kota Vennammadevi who married a sudra (who is also not a big king) viddinayaka of gunturu district. that clarify their caste there are several other inscriptions that are kept in secret so that this truth could not be revealed. all this kaakatiyans, chagis, kotas sudras but not kshatriyas. Kshatriyas are decendents of chalukyas, cholas, gangas and local kings from (kamma, kapus) but some body misled them to claim kakatiyas, kota, chaagis.

Ganna bhopal was not of kota lineage do you have any supportings. He was just another ruler of Dharanikota during 15th century CE. Kota dynasty is different from Ganna bhopala. Kota kings are kammas. All the rajus claims are bulshit only. Rajus even claiming kakatiya linege.

All inscriptions still available you can study

The inscriptional evidence for the gotra of Kota kings may be cited.Kumarrao (talk) 17:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Kota kings belonged to Durjaya vamsa and Sudra varna, similar to Kakatiyas. How can they be Kshatriyas? Please see page 377 in 'Anciet India' by R C Majumdar: (http://books.google.com/books?id=XNxiN5tzKOgC&pg=PA377&dq=durjaya%2Bkakatiya&lr=).Kumarrao (talk) 10:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kumarrao,

Mr APhistory already provided the inscriptional evidence citation (cit 4 in ref). Its in book Studies in south India Jainism by M.S. Rama Swami Ayyangar, B. Seshagiri Rao.

The Dhananjaya gotra zamindars and there 500-600 old history (of Dhananjaya gotra people) and folktales do confirm there lineage to Kota vamsa by there culture as well as Gotra.

The Citation which you have provided doesnot confirm the Kota vamsas to be durjayas it only confirms Kakatiyas to be Durjaya.

Also many half baked theories mention Proli nayaka aka Proli Nayudu as Kota king... but inscriptional evidences during Kakatiya period clearly say Proli nayaka aka Proli Nayudu was minister of Kota Ketaraja. Proli nayaka himself belonged to Durjaya clan. But not the Kota kings, Also they were close to Chagis and Parichedis (both Kshatriya clans). Its also confirmed by some historians that by the time Kakatiyas started having marital relationship with Kota vamsa, they started claiming kshatriya status only because of having got marital relationship with three kshatriya clans (Eastern chalukyas, Chagi and Kota vamsa).

You can also refer to century old "Kshatriya vamsa vrukshavali" which does confirm this about Dhananjaya gotra people and also V Ramachandra Rao does clearly say so.

Thnks Indianprithvi (talk) 16:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Request

I request authors of this wikipage to provide citation for UV Krishnam Raju or Uppalapati zamindars. I know Kota Jampana, Dhantulturi, Datla n few other Raju clans belong to Kota lineage but I am not sure whether Uppalapati people belong to this kota lineage

Thnks Indianprithvi (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Kota ancestry

I reiterate that Kota kings were not Kshatriyas/Rajus. It was clearly mentioned in their inscriptions that they were of fourth caste (Sudra varna) and descendents of a Prince Dhananjaya. Please see page 149 (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-d9IAvFOUHsC&pg=PA171&dq=dhanyakataka&lr=#PPA149,M1). Kumarrao (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I have incorporated the above reference. Please discuss.Kumarrao (talk) 12:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kumarrao,

Appreciate your reference. As your reference also states that ther were 4 collateral branches of kotas n they claimed of Dhanunjaya gotra....n some of there inscriptions are still controversy....coz the term shudra varna refered to the ministers of Kota kings thats proli nayudu ( U can refer to AP Inscriptions library n find if chaturta varna meant Kotas r ther subordinates).

There is also Book referred by me which clearly state they were of jain origin. Ther r other books (by andhra authors) which say clearly they were forefathers of Kshatriya rajus. Ther r three opinions on this by different authors.

But one thing is all authors agree they are of Dhananjaya Gotra. Even ur referred book says they were of Dhananjaya gotra. Its traditionally well known that Dhananjaya gotra belongs 2 Kshatriya Rajus only. Its also well known Rajus did had cucunbines. Ayaraka (vizag) caste is one eg. who clearly mention ab ther ancestor links to Kshatriya Rajus but they belong to chaturta varna.

I accept therz som controversy related 2 one inscription which mention chathurta varna. but it has to be validated whether it belonged to Kota kings r ther subordinates who were nayaks (mite b Kammas n kapus).

As all authors agree of Kotas to be Dhananjaya gotra. U can no way link kammas to Kotas as kammas dont hav dhanunjaya gotra. Here its mentioned based on majortian historians writing and the clear linkage of Kota Jamindars (14-15 surnames) of Kshatriya Raju community. Its agreed by all that Dhanunjaya gotra rajus ancestors were Kota kings. I agree ab origin of Kota kings needs to be deeply analysed, which wil help in getting the roots of Dhanunjaya gotra Rajus of andhra.

Its so ridiculous Mr Kumarrao that u have pasted Kotas were contemporary of Thrilochanapallava... which is mentioned as FALSE in the reference given by you. Request you to properly read, and understand the grammar. As reference given by YOU itself mentions it is clearly false im correcting it.

Thanks Indianprithvi (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It is very unfortunate that you decided to delete the reference in which it was clearly stated that Dhanajayaya was born to Chaturtha Varna. If you want to dispute this, please argue with the author Yashoda Devi. I restore the reference. Let us agree that the matter is controversial. Kumarrao (talk) 06:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Mr Kummarrao,

You have this habit of putting half baked stories. Try to see things in all angles instead of a narrow minded view. I didnt disregard ur reference, I agree therz controversy about the Chaturta varna line. The good historians like M.S. Rama Swami Ayyangar, B. Seshagiri Rao, Durga Prasad & even vepachedu should also be considered. I dont understand y u see things from single author point of view and ignore several historians. Historians M.S. Rama Swami Ayyangar, B. Seshagiri Rao, Durga Prasad & Vepachedu are no less historians than Yashoda Devi.

I request u to read the reference given by urself completely. esp origin of dynasty topic in u reference 1. It says Dhananjaya was a born chaturta varna. It also says 2 more things 2. All kota kings claim Dhananjaya gotra... not som of them 3. It says kotas to be feudatories of Trilochanapallava is valueless that means its baseless.

Its strange that u say one thing and put som baseless things along with ur valuable info in wiki info. request you to respect history n different reputed historians. U dont even respect the reference given by none other than urself.

I will include ur point of chaturtavarna along side other authors views also ur reference wil b kept as it is. hope its fine for u now. I will remove second line of urs as ur reference itself says its baseless ab Thrilochanapallava.

Hope this is fine. Thanks Indianprithvi (talk) 10:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kumarrao,

Please refer to the pages 159-161 in the book refered by you (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-d9IAvFOUHsC&pg=PA171&dq=dhanyakataka&lr=#PPA159,M1). It clearly says that Kota Ketaraja II was the ancestor of the three Kshatriya families of Datla, Jampana and Dantuluri. Like all historical books Sharada Devi also said Kota Kings were of Dhananjaya gotra and were ancestors of Dhananjaya gotra Kshatriya Rajus.

I dont understand when all historians (M.S. Rama Swami Ayyangar, B. Seshagiri Rao, Durga Prasad & VR Rao Vepachedu) including Sharada Devi (refered by you) clearly mention about Kota Kings to be ancestors of Dhananjaya gotra kshatriyas. U r dragging again n again about ancestry. If you still need clarification about ancestry argue with all those famous Historians.

Thnx Indianprithvi (talk) 18:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

gotras

Gotras of Kshatriyas r based on sages. Danunjaya is one of the sub lineage of Aathri Rishi,

for more info read this http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/17588172/286057655/name/Know+about+Sages+(by+Gopalakrishna+Ramaiyer).pdf

According to Kamakoti peet, Dhananjaya is a pravara in Saga Vishwamitra lieage. Most of the historians express that, Kota kings of Dharanikota belong Dhanajaya gotra. We find Rajus of Dhananjaya gotra even today in Godavari region of Andhra Pradesh. Infact Dhananjaya gotra is not found in any community of fourth caste. Rishi pravara of Dhananjaya gotra is Vishvamitra, Madhuchanda, Dhanajaya; and Raja pravara is "Bharat, Parikshit, Vishnuvardhan, Harisima Krishna Maharaj Vansh". This confirms that Dhananjaya gotra belong to Lunar race of Kshatriya varna.

Sourcing

I've just removed all of the sourcing from this article and also some unsourced statements that seemed either wild or just indecipherable. I then copyedited what remained.

I've checked Cynthia Talbot, who deals with the Andhra country of the period in some depth, and also sources such as Eaton, Chitnis, Kulke and Metcalf, whose general histories tend to touch on most of significant aspects. None mention the Kota Vamsa and I'm unsure whether that is because it is just not really very notable or perhaps goes under some other name.

I note the discussions that have previously taken place on this talk page regarding sources and, well, they were not much use either. Ancient inscriptions are not reliable sources, not are books published by Gyan and that - plus a lot of opinionated verbiage - seemed to be all they contained. - Sitush (talk) 02:37, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding sourced content.

The source below says https://books.google.com/books?id=oxJuAAAAMAAJ&q=dhananjaya+gotra&dq=dhananjaya+gotra&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivhYfr39HaAhVCrFMKHZx8BykQ6AEIPDAE "Kotas belong to Dhananjaya gotra" and the source below says https://books.google.com/books?id=BBUdAAAAMAAJ&q=dhananjaya+gotra&dq=dhananjaya+gotra&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivhYfr39HaAhVCrFMKHZx8BykQ6AEISDAH "Among the Andhra Rajaputs, there is a family called Jampani's of Dhananjaya gotra who claim to be of the Kota line" This information can be rephrased and added Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Someone recently removed that content but I have reinstated. I would have kept their statement as well as this one, per WP:NPOV, but I have doubts about the source that they provided and note that utcursch had reverted them previously claiming caste cruft etc. We already have two unsourced paragraphs in this article without adding caste cruft to it, so perhaps the contributor would care to provide some detail from their proposed Shastry source? If everyone is happy with it then we can reinstate the information whilst retaining the above which Sharkslayer87 found some months ago. Alternatively, the contributor could explain here why they think Sharkslayer87's source is poor - simply saying that it is in an edit summary doesn't really work. - Sitush (talk) 13:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Umm....The source added to the article is good-enough and better than the current one (which is published by a publisher of nil-repute and neither do the authors seem to be any credible) but I cannot access it.We can AGF and accept the edit but given the amount of caste-promotion in these topics, I'm disinclined to do it. ∯WBG^converse 15:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I will try to dig out other sources to evaluate the situation, (shall time permit(s)) within the next few days. ∯WBG^converse 15:30, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Kota kings are Kshatriya varna

Researches revealed that the Gotra of Kota Kings is Dhananjaya Gotra, which is one of the gotras found in the Kshatriya community in Andhra Pradesh. This gotra is found in no other community. There is no strong evidence to prove that Kota Kings belong to Sudhra group. The gotra names of the Kshatriya or Brahmin communities (all over India) are most commonly identified by the names of Saptarishis or their lineage. According to Hindu scriptures, Dhananjaya is a king belonging to the Lineage of Sage Vishwamitra. Dhananjaya is another name for sage Vishwamitra who was a Kshatriya first and then a Brahmin. Kshatriyas of his vamsa use the gotra name Dhananjaya and Brahmins use Viswamitra Gotra. Arjuna of the Pandava Kings borne in the same vamsa is also called Dhananjaya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raju Dantuluri (talk • contribs) 13:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)