Talk:Lǫgmaðr Guðrøðarson

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A fact from Lǫgmaðr Guðrøðarson appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 April 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Lagmann mac Gofraid, a late 11th century King of Mann and the Isles, has been labelled as the only known Scot who took part in the First Crusade?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/April.

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I notice the weight of evidence for the pre-Magnus school. Would you like to amend the table in the article with the ever-changing name, or would you like me to have a go? Ben Mac Dui 19:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lǫgmaðr Guðrøðarson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 3family6 (talk · contribs) 03:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
Copyvio check did not find any violations. Prose is very good.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Follows MOS.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:
Reference sections are highly detailed and well-formatted.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

B. Citations to reliable sources, where necessary:
Plenty of citations. If anything, the article is over-cited.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

C. No original research:
"Unfortunately for scholars, the numerical calculations and chronology of this source are suspect;" - is the "unfortunately for scholars" assessment in the cited source? I cannot access the source to verify.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, that was my clumsy way of hinting at the chronicle's imperfect chronology. I've removed the first three words.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:27, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
The "Norwegian domination and diminishment" section gets bogged down with content unrelated to Lagmann. The section needs to be trimmed. Likewise, the route that Robert took on the first crusade is not directly relevant, considering we don't even know if Lagmann went on that crusade, or in fact on any other crusade. I would trim everything in the third paragraph after the of when Lagmann would have joined Robert's assembling forces, and then merge the following paragraph, which deals with where Lagmann would probably have died, into the third paragraph. Likewise, the route that Sigurðr took is unneeded, apart from the mention that he left from England.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've trimmed the Norwegian section a bit by cutting a bit about Ingimundr, cutting the bit about the shipwrecked Islesmen, removing the bit about Mac Lochlainn, and cutting a chunk about Domnall's doings in 1111. I'm not sure I'd like to cut too much more. I've removed the stuff on Robert and Sigurðr's crusades easily enough. I also added a bit about Lagmann's name to the first note of the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:27, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

B. Focused:
Like I mentioned in the above point, the article unduly focuses on some extraneous material.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Neutral, balanced presentation of the mire of vague accounts surrounding Lagmann.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Highly stable, no instances of edit warring or vandalism that I found.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
File:Kong-magnus-berrfott-menn.jpg needed a US-specific tag, which I went ahead and added. The other images are fine.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Per MOS:SELFREF, the self-reference of Wikipedia in the captions should be avoided. Instead, you could write captions such as the following: "A map of the north-western portions of the British Isles, where Lagmann was active" and "map of Europe and crusade destinations." Those examples could be more polished, but should convey my point.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed the first caption. I've removed the other map since it dealt with locations, regarding Robert and Sigurðr's crusades, that have no be removed from the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Overly detailed in a few spots, and two image captions need some work.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pass or Fail:
All issues resolved, nice job. I'd recommend submitting this article to the FAR process.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unfamiliar characters in the subject's name[edit]

Could an IPA pronunciation of the subject's name be added please? There are two characters which look like variants of "o" and three instances of one that looks like "d" but that would be an assumption and put together with the familiar characters, the pronunciation of the full words may not be as may appear evident. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added one from a couple old conversations I'd long forgotten: User_talk:Nora_lives#Talk:Old_Norse.23Old_Norse_pronunciation_and_IPA and Talk:Old_Norse#Old_Norse_pronunciation_and_IPA. I'll ask User:LokiClock to double check it.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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