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On 10 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from LART (computer) to LART. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion below. Disambiguation is currently handled by hatnote, and if other articles called "LART" are created, we can cross that bridge when we come to it, rather than preemptively disambiguating. - GTBacchus^(talk) 14:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LART (computer) → LART — There is only one use of LART, so the disambiguation page is not necessary User:82.210.249.81 12:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A hatnote to Luser would seem awkward here, and I wouldn't want to lose that link. Do you have any suggestions for wording? Powers ^T 15:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Any progress on deciding what to do with the link to Luser? Parsecboy (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I just added the hatnote {{otheruses|Luser}} - doesn't seem awkward to me. There's no other article titled LART and the disambiguating "(computer)" doesn't help anyway because the other use is also computer-related. Station1 (talk) 08:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "LART" has other meanings, even if they don't have Wikipedia articles yet. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. A 2-entrydisambiguation page is unnecessary (as is a 5-entry disambiguation page with no linked articles for three of the entries). Propaniac (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per previous arguments (if articles about other LARTs get written, we can reconsider). I think I can improve the hatnote (have just done so).--Kotniski (talk) 12:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relevant page history[edit]

Some page history that used to be at the title "LART" can now be found at Talk:LART/Old history. Graham87 14:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 October 2021[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Same outcome as previous RM discussion above. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 13:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LART (computer) → LART – There was a move request to "LART" back in 2010, the result of which was "Move", with only one oppose !vote (of four total) by User:Anthony Appleyard stating "LART" has other meanings... It was then moved back again by User:Electron9 in March 2011 with the ES "Prior meaning".

As far as I see, that was an undiscussed move after an RM discussion. Hey ho, time has passed. Nevertheless, ten years later we do not have other substantial content for "other meanings"; the definition at luser is just that. While page views show that the redirects Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, LART and Lart – which all target Luser – get fewer views combined than this article (just).

So it makes sense to revert the undiscussed move. The two articles have hatnotes to each other. I'm not sure what to suggest for Lart since only the term in caps is used in either article. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 07:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should be a DAB page, the current target gets more views (3,444) than this (163). Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Electron9 and Crouch, Swale: For the other meaning of LART, see Luser. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What I was meaning is perhaps there should be a DAB page at LART or Lart, both terms currently redirect to Luser. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOCKSTRIKE. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

(ec) I had linked to Luser, but didn't want to make the nomination too long: sorry if I'd not made myself clear. User:Electron9 appears to be inactive since around 2016; perhaps I should have pinged User:Crouch, Swale, sorry for not doing so. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 09:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would essentially be a WP:NOPRIMARY DAB page of LART (computer) and Luser. While Luser undoutedbly gets more views than LART (computer), "LART" (104) and "Lart" (30) don't: even were we to assume that all readers going via "LART" or "Lart" want Luser, they would account for only 3.8% of its views. (Were they all to want the computer, and so click through the hatnote, they would account for 82% of its views.)

I'm arguing that "Luser" is not the primary topic for "LART": the only mention of it is in a single sentence fragment in the lede: metaphorically employing a LART (Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, also known as a clue-by-four,^[3] cluestick, or cluebat), meaning turning off the user's access to computer resources and the like (my links: they all target Luser), without describing such a tool further. Think of what the DAB entry's description could minimally say: "A punishment tool employed on lusers", which is hardly less than what the article says.

For "Lart", I cannot find any uses in English at all except as a fairly uncommon surname, so I'd be inclined to delete it. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 09:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By comparison, "Staff of ZOT" and "ZOT" are red: the search engine takes the second to Zot! without presenting alternatives (and that hasn't a hatnote to The Internet Oracle, which uses it). Presumably consensus is that we have never needed that redirect or hatnote. The same, in my opinion, applies to metaphorical LARTs: readers are not going to find out anything at the target beyond a WP:DICDEF. If we don't say anything about a subject, we should say so. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 10:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per previous RM. It should never have been moved back against consensus. There is no other article that could reasonably be titled LART, and the hatnote pointing to Luser is more than sufficient. Station1 (talk) 00:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the meaning at Luser is barely a topic at all, and no other topics are suggested; that makes this the primary topic by default. While I have heard "Luser" before I have never heard "LART", and apart from an entry in the Jargon file I don't see any use for that definition. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 23:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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