Talk:Laucala

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For some reason people seam to think that removing all the references is "fixing" unreferenced material. The references I added indicated who bought the island (Mateschitz), when it was bought (2002), who it was bought from (Forbes). Now, the article is just unreferenced bunch of hotel rates for the current resort.

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According to the deleted refs, the Mateschitz resort opened in 2011, the article still claims it hasn't opened yet.

page organization

The level-2 header "Sale to Dietrich Mateschitz" also unduly focuses on the current owner. If a header for Mateschitz exists, then another header for the period of ownership by the Forbes family should also exist. And all of that should be integrated into a history of the island section.

-- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: Appropriate tags added. References added so no longer unreferenced, but refs do need improving. Your requested "update will require at least one independent reliable source to be added. Do you have any referenced content that can be added to a section on when the Forbes family owned it? References must be more than passing mentions and they can't be at all promotional in tone. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Forbes Magazine is an independent source in relation to the current resort, since it is not owned by Mateschitz, so information post-Forbes ownership about the Mateschitz resort is not related to the owner. And Forbes Magazine is one of the major business magazines of the United States, it isn't any old rag from the newsstand.

[2] Luxury Travel Magazine is not a Forbes Group magazine, nor owned by Red Bull Group, so is independent, and this magazine article documents the sale of the island from Forbes to Mateschitz its opening as a resort in 2011.

I also think that "Background" and "Sale to Mateschitz" should not be separate sections, instead it should be one history section; it overemphasizes Mateschitz. If Mateschitz is given such weight, the the paragraph on Forbes should similarly have a section header dealing with that era of the island's ownership travails. Indeed each prior period should have a subheader under a history section if a paragraph can be built (which can be done from the current material for Mateschitz and Forbes) And I think the room rates aren't appropriate for the article to have. I didn't remove it before, but I was planning to.

[3](in French) Acccording to Le Figaro (one of the major news outlets of France), Malcolm Forbes bought the island in 1972 for $1million and Mateschitz bought it for $10million, the island is 12 sq.km. (additional resort info from Le Figaro: It also says the 25 resort villas are bures, the resort is 85% self-sufficient, with 3 hydroponic greenhouses behind the 18-hole golf course. The resort's submarine SuperFalcon cost $1.7 million )

The reference you added [4] says it is for Nggamea (Quamea) Island, according to Google [5] Quamea is not the same island as Laucala?

-- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]