Talk:Leader of the Government in the House of Commons of Canada

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Four instances[edit]

There were four instances before 1944 in which the government was lead in the house by someone who was not the PM. Abbott and Bowell were Senators and the House was lead by other people. For Abbott it was John Thompson. For Bowell it was George Foster, Adolphe Caron and Charles Tupper. It also happened twice in 1926: Ernest Lapointe lead the house for two months because King had lost his seat in the general election and soon returned in a byelection. When Meighen took over in June he had to resign his seat and recontest it in a byelection (as was the law at the time) so Henry Drayton served as government leader until its defeat three days later. I think this should be mentioned somewhere. Should it be mentioned here or in the list page? Shipguy 20:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Jay Hill[edit]

According to ^[1] Jay Hill's portfolio only includes "Leader of the Government in the House of Commons" and no actual ministry position. According to protocol, doesn't that make him not officially a "Minister" and how can he be recognized and included in the Cabinet lists then? As the article says, "The position is not legally entitled to cabinet standing on its own, so all Government House Leaders must simultaneously hold another portfolio. In recent years, sinecure assignments have been used to give House Leaders cabinet standing while allowing them to focus entirely on house business." Does he have a sinecure position that has not been announced yet or is he solely the Government House Leader? If so, then the first sentence of this article needs to be corrected from "is the Cabinet minister responsible for..." etc. Canadianpoliticsfan (talk) 06:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is now in the article. A 2005 amendment to the Salaries Act included the House Leader as one of the listed ministers. As a result, it is no longer necessary to give the House Leader another Cabinet position. -Rrius (talk) 00:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Numbering[edit]

To User:Rrius, who removed the numbering: yes, the numbering seems arbitrary, but are you going to remove the numbering from all the lists of Canadian government officials? BartBassist (talk) 00:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BTW the equivalent Senate list has numbering too. BartBassist (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. It depends on whether any of those lists gives reference to a source that shows a preference for one form of numbering over another or that the officeholders are referred to as the "nth National Defence Minister" or what have you. -Rrius (talk) 00:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The PMs are definitely numbered by convention, and sites such as this one use the numbering. The numbering convention for all the other posts seems to stem from the PMs. BartBassist (talk) 07:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When you say the numbering "convention" for others copies the PM, do you mean the convention here or somewhere in the real world? -Rrius (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/docs/cabinet.pdf

Title[edit]

I came here via a category, and I naturally assumed the title referred to the UK House of Commons. I suggest that "House of Commons" needs to be disambiguated in the title, e.g. Leader of the Government in the Canadian House of Commons.

Thoughts? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:30, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@JackofOz: If anything, I think this should be moved to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons (Canada), so as to match the name of the office. However, I think a better solution would be to add a hatlink to Leader of the House of Commons, instead of disambiguating. Simplexity22 (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I jumped the gun and moved it already, but I don't mind if you implement your first suggestion. The hatnote idea is not one I support, at least not as an entire solution. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I've made a move request. I'm not opposed to disambiguating the title as long as the undisambiguated version is kept as a redirect. Simplexity22 (talk) 00:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Title is misleading[edit]

The name of the position is misleading because the Prime Minister is the leader of the government in the House of Commons not some other minister. 49.3.72.79 (talk) 06:52, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/docs/cabinet.pdf

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