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On 27 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Lekë Dushman to Lekë Dushmani. The result of the discussion was moved.

Irene[edit]

The article says:

Dushmani's daughter Irene was the cause of a feud between Lekë Dukagjini and Lekë Zaharia, whose death in 1447 led to the Albanian-Venetian war.

I found numerous sources which show that Nikola Dukagjin, Leka's vassal, killed Leka Zakaria in 1444.

Gjurmime albanologjike, Volumes 7-8 (in Serbian). Priština: Albanološki institut u Prištini, Filozofski fakultet u Prištini. Katedra za albanologiju. 1968. p. 124. Retrieved 23 January 2012. Njegova majka bila je Boša Dukađin, koja je 1444, posle ubistva sina Leke, predala Danj s okolinom ... se da joj je od dece ostala Bolja, i unuk Koja, sin Buáe, koji očigledno vise nije bio među živima.
Društvo istoričara Srbije (1969). Iz istorije Albanaca: Zbornik predavanja. Priručnik za nastavike (in Serbian). Zabod za izdavanje udžbenika Socijalističke Republike Srbije. p. 40. Када је господара Дања Коју Захарију убио његов вазал Никола Дукађин (1444), Којина мајка Боша уступила је Млечанима Дањ, Сати, Гладри,... {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
Biobibliographica, Issue 2 (in Croatian). Leksikografski zavod Miroslav Krleža. 2004. p. 44. Retrieved 23 January 2012. Nakon smrti Leke Zakarije (1444) njegovi su majka Bosa, sestra Bolja i rođak Koja podvrgnuli svoj posjed mletačkoj zaštiti i vrhovništvu. Iako je Skenderbeg isprva potisnuo mletačku vojsku, Danj je zadržan u mletačkoj vlasti, a sa
Božić, Ivan (1979), Nemirno pomorje XV veka (in Serbian), Beograd: Srpska književna zadruga, p. 364, OCLC 5845972, Крајем лета 1444. Никола Дукађин убио је Леку Закарију. Према млетачком хроничару Стефану Мању убио га је "у битки" као његов вазал. Мада Барлеције погрешно наводи да је убиство извршио Лека Дукађин {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |doi-inactive-date= (help); More than one of |author= and |last= specified (help)
Van Antwerp Fine, John (1987), The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century, University of Michigan Press, p. 557, ISBN 9780472100798, Meanwhile, shortly after Albanian's victory over the Turks, (which was in June 1444- Antidiskriminator) Nicholas Dukagjin killed Lek Zakaria,... {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |editorn=, |month=, |editorn-first=, |author-separator=, |coauthors=, |editorn-link=, and |editorn-last= (help); More than one of |author= and |last= specified (help); Unknown parameter |firstn= ignored (help)
Here is source written by Oliver Schmitt who explains that there is an official Venetian documents from January 1445 presenting Zaharia's wife Bozha as widow submitting a document made in 1443 for her pension purposes (In ein Aktenstück von Januar 1445 inseriert ist eine Urkunde des Skutariner Grafen Francesco Querini vom 18. Septembar 1443, in der Lekas witwe Bozha, seiner Tochter Bolja und derren sohnchen Koja einge Dorfer aus Lekas baština und eine pension...). This information is supported by historian Ivan Božić who also claim that Venetian Senate confirmed inheritance of Zaharija's widow in January 1445.page 365
Ivan Božić further explains that Marin Barleti spins his tale about one beautiful girl being a cause for the conflict between Leke Zaharia and Leke Dukagjin. He also explains that on 18 and 19 September 1444 Venetian governor of Scutari issued a charter to people who are meritorious for Dagnum being handed over to Venetian Republic. Therefore, he concludes, Leke Zaharia was killed in August or beginning of September 1444.

Based on the above mentioned sources I will remove information about Irene causing a war because it is based on forgery of Marin Barleti which is refuted by Stefano Magno and many modern scholars based on the original documents.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 September 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. This is essentially a revert to the long-standing name for this article, which was reverted to the current title (perhaps by mistake) in August. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 03:01, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lekë Dushman → Lekë Dushmani – More common (and correct) name. Djks1 (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Google books results:

"Lekë Dushman", 2 results (current name)
"Lekë Dushmani", 252 results (previous name)
"Lek Dushmani", 168 results
"Lek Dushman", 61 results
"Leccas Dusmanus", 69 results
"Leccha Dusmanus", 7 results
"Lek Dusman", 0 results
"Luka Dusman", "Luka Dushman", and "Luka Dushmani" also produce 0 results.

Therefore, I propose moving the page back to Lekë Dushmani.Djks1 (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Move per nomination Bes-ARTTalk 10:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.