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In the news[edit]

Does anybody think this is worth an In The News nomination? JQTriple7 ^talk 00:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a move for the article to be in the news JQTriple7. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 00:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a bit longer to improve then I'll nominate it. Any blurb suggestions, anyone? JQTriple7 ^talk 00:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, do we yet have confirmation from reliable sources (most preferably law enforcement) that the man said what is alleged that he said? That is what sets this stabbing apart from the disgustingly frequent knife attacks in London '''tAD''' (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When you have a man screaming "this is for Syria", I'm pretty sure the motive won't be the kind of frequent stabbing that happens, also its addressed in the article that the motto used by the attacker was the same motto one of the other attackers used during the Paris attacks. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 00:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you joking? Three people got stabbed, none of them critically. Worse happens every weekend all over the UK. Motto? What's that about? Saudi Arabia bombed a MSF hospital, I think that might be more newsworthy. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 01:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well I wouldn't have known about a stabbing problem since I don't live near the United Kingdom so thank you for informing me (since I only know of our problem in the states with guns), and sure its newsworthy, but that could be a problem with Wikiepdia's WP:NOTNEWS or information could go to another Wikipedia page rather than having its own. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 01:23, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The death numbers in Paris made it an obvious contender for ITN. With this attack having no deaths and only three injured, it seems unlikely that it will have political implications outside the UK. The 2015 attack 2015 Ikea stabbing attack did not make it to ITN to my knowledge, despite two deaths and political ramifications for the refugee crisis. Category:Terrorist incidents involving knife attacks has a number of pages that didn't make it to ITN. University of California, Merced stabbing attack didn't make it to ITN.
The April 2014 Ürümqi attack made it to ITN because there were three deaths (2014 Kunming attack had 33 deaths)
My feeling is that ITN-worthiness is borderline, given the raw numeric casualty count, and would need broader strategic/political implications. -- Callinus (talk) 08:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also Trollhättan school attack didn't make it to ITN, but did make it to DYK. -- Callinus (talk) 09:10, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page name[edit]

OK, so I changed the page name to the more December 2015 Leytonstone tube station attack, but it has been reverted by TBM10. I consider the current name to be inappropriate because it make it sound either like an attack on London Underground infrastructure, or else a larger attack on passengers and/or staff across the network. The reality is that this was a single assailant inside only a single station (which reopened as normal the following day), and therefore "December 2015 Leytonstone tube station attack" is more appropriate. Needlessly bigging it up is playing in the hands of the perpetrator and those who support him. Nick Cooper (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Using "Leytonstone tube station" seems too specific. Do we need the month in the name? Perhaps "2015 Leytonstone stabbing incident" is more appropriate? --TBM10 (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not specific enough on either count. I doubt it's the only stabbing in Leytonstone this year. Nick Cooper (talk) 21:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree London Underground attack may be too non-specific and misleading, but it was used by some foreign media. AusLondonder (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But it is probably the only notable stabbing in Leytonstone in December 2015, so perhaps "December 2015 Leytonstone stabbing incident" is about right? --TBM10 (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What about to add V word vendetta to title ? But i can't help more - too much shade of war smoke. Who now UK bombing after the last vote? Syria(Assad), Turkey IS militants, others? The name of alleged avenger entity my also go to the title. 99.90.196.227 (talk) 23:49, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is absolutely no way whatsoever we can have the suspect's name in the title while the case is sub judice. Nick Cooper (talk)

Why not "Leytonstone tube station attack"? Yes, the location is specific, but most media mention it. Although of course violence breaks out anywhere, as far as I know, no other attack at the station has been notable. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Maybe 2015 London Underground stabbing. Fact is, foreign media do not lead with - or even always mention - the name of the station. Moreover, "mundane" criminal stabbings are not WP:NOTABLE and do not have WP articles, so we do not need to worry about disambigulating the station in the title. This stabbing is notable because it is being discusses as an Islamism-related attack on the London tube. Certainly, the present title is unnecessarily long, and does not use probable search terms: London and stabbing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Far too general. There weren't stabbings all over the London Underground, there was one incident with one perpetrator. Present title is fine. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not an act of terrorism[edit]

This incident was not an act of terrorism, it was an act carried out by a mentally ill individual. this article should not be dressed up to claim this is some sort of major terrorist incident. The truth is that this stabbing was just one of a number of stabbings which took place in London in December. the main reason for the notability was the fact it was a tube station, and not on an estate., and it was caught on a mobile phone, with some shouting a memorable phrase. This is very poor and unencylopedic content, to claim this was some act of international terrorism, it was not. It was just a stabbing where no one died, in London, which is not an uncommon occurrence. Sport and politics (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]