Talk:Lindner ethics complaint of the 83rd Minnesota Legislative Session

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This article used to be called "Lindner Ethics Complaint of the 83rd Minnesota Legislative Session" it was a significant event in Minnesota State politics which one of the key players was Rep. Keith Ellison before he entered national politics. The article was nominated for deletion, the result of which was to rename it "Arlon Lindner". So currently most of the information here centers around the ethics complaint and the article needs a lot of expansion on his biographical details. The votes were actually split between rename and keep with previous title so the closing admin cast the final vote and decided to rename. Under the current name there is a massive undue weight problem with the controversy being about the only element covered in this article. Personally I would just revert it back to its original title, but thats not what the closing admin decided.--Wowaconia 11:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This should be brought back for discussion, to be renamed back as it was. It's a good article, well sourced, and simply is inappropriate under the current name. There didn't seem to be a real consensus for the move either... it should have been closed as "no consensus" or relisted for further discussion. zadignose 22:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm getting the runaround by the wikiaucracy, but I'm working on getting the decision overturned. It's currently at Wikipedia:Requested moves#March 25, 2007. :: ZJH (T C E) 22:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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Move back to original article name "Lindner Ethics Complaint of the 83rd Minnesota Legislative Session". I see that this has been brought to Requested Moves, as appropriate, and I support the motion to return the article to where it was. This rename is inappropriate, and can doom a quality article, as it's clearly not an appropriate article for the title "Arlon Lindner." There was no clear consensus for the move that took place, as only four people expressed opinions, the opinions were evenly split, the argument to move was not compelling, and the relevant issues were barely addressed in the discussion. The relevant issues, as I see them, are the fact that this is a well documented, well sourced, detailed article about an event, specifically a political controversy and motion in legislature, but this is not appropriate as the body of an article concerning the biography of a living person. It leaves no room for an appropriate biography, if we want the article to be balanced. Move this back, create a biographical article, and link. zadignose 23:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move (obviously as I nominated), but I agree with zadignose's comments, as well as the comments by Wowaconia above. I have drafted a new version to replace this page once it is moved. It probably needs more attention from someone more knowledgeable on the subject; I created it with whatever information I could find at the legdb. Unfortunately, searching for more information is not yielding many helpful results as far as biographical information is concerned. :: ZJH (T C E) 23:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just to clarify, I would support a move of this article to any name. In fact, I would rather see a move to 83rd Minnesota Legislature ethics complaint. :: ZJH (T C E)
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This article has been renamed from Arlon Lindner to Lindner Ethics Complaint of the 83rd Minnesota Legislative Session as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 09:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Too long[edit]

I have added this template to this page, as I believe it gives far too much weight to this event rather than considering it in its appropriate historical context. This may have seemed like a significant event at the time, but ultimately it was an ethics complaint which failed to result in any official censure, its only long-term impact being to Arlon Linder's chances of being re-elected. And it's worth remembering that this dispute wasn't a national issue, but was only among members of the Minnesota House of Representatives. I believe this article should be seriously cut down, and possibly merged back into Arlon Lindner (as it used to be) or Eighty-third Minnesota Legislature, whichever is more appropriate. Terraxos (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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