Talk:List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Performers

This has been brought up before, but if this is a book-centric list, why are we noting actors from the TV series (which has its own character list)? I also feel as though converting each section to table format would be a better use of space. The only issue would be how to best present the coats of arms.— TAnthony^Talk 15:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Below is how I envision the sections as tables (the color is only for clarity on this talk page). I've removed the TV series performers on purpose, per my comment above. Note that characters unique to this list (like Benjen and Lyanna) can still be anchored as redirect destinations.— TAnthony^Talk 04:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

House Stark

Coat of arms of House Stark

House Stark is one of the Great Houses of the Seven Kingdoms and the principal house of the North. Its seat is at Winterfell, one of the oldest castles in the Seven Kingdoms. Its coat of arms displays a grey direwolf running on a white field, and its words are Winter is Coming. Bastards born to North men are given the surname "Snow". House Stark had ruled as the Kings in the North for thousands of years until House Targaryen conquered Westeros, whereafter the Starks are the Lords of Winterfell and Wardens of the North. For prizing honor and devotion to duty, House Stark is the closest of the noble houses to heroism. Over the course of the novels, the Starks are scattered by the War of the Five Kings, and the fate of the House remains uncertain, as most characters believe that all the legitimate Stark sons are dead.

Character	Description
Ned Stark	Eddard "Ned" Stark is the Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, and briefly serves as Hand of the King to Robert Baratheon.
Catelyn Stark	Catelyn Stark is the wife of Ned Stark, and mother to his children Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. She is the daughter of Lord Hoster Tully of Riverrun; sister to Lysa Arryn of the Vale; and sister to Edmure Tully.
Robb Stark	Robb Stark is the oldest child of Ned and Catelyn Stark, and the heir to Winterfell. He is not a POV character, but features in the POV chapters of his family members in the first three novels in the series.
Sansa Stark	Sansa Stark is the second child and elder daughter of Ned and Catelyn. She serves as a POV character for twenty-four chapters throughout A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, and A Feast for Crows. Sansa is introduced as beautiful and demure.
Arya Stark	Arya Stark is the third child and younger daughter of Ned and Catelyn. She serves as a POV character for thirty-three chapters throughout A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, and A Dance with Dragons.
Bran Stark	Brandon "Bran" Stark is the second son and fourth child of Eddard and Catelyn Stark. He serves as the third-person narrator of twenty-one chapters throughout A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, and A Dance with Dragons. In A Game of Thrones, he sees Queen Cersei and her brother Jaime Lannister committing incest, and Jaime pushes Bran from the window to keep the relationship secret. Bran survives, but loses the use of his legs. While comatose, Bran dreams of a three-eyed raven. Slowly, he develops the ability to assume his wolf Summer's consciousness, making him a warg or skinchanger. After his older brother Robb is crowned King in the North, Bran becomes Robb's heir and the acting Lord of Winterfell. In A Clash of Kings, Jojen Reed teaches Bran how to correctly use his telepathy, and directs him beyond the Wall. In A Dance with Dragons, Bran meets the Three-Eyed-Raven: an alias of the last trained clairvoyant.
Rickon Stark	Rickon Stark is Ned Stark's youngest child and is three years old in A Game of Thrones. When Theon Greyjoy captures Winterfell in A Clash of Kings, Rickon hides in the crypts. After Winterfell is sacked, he and the wildling woman Osha travel through the North. In A Dance with Dragons, he is said to be on an island of cannibals, presumably Skagos.
Jon Snow	Raised as Ned Stark's illegitimate son, Jon Snow serves as the third-person narrator of forty-two chapters throughout A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, and A Dance with Dragons. He shares the same Stark family values of honor, and tries to stay morally correct and honest, even when forced otherwise.
Benjen Stark	Benjen Stark is the younger brother of Ned Stark and serves as First Ranger in the Night's Watch. He appears briefly at the start of A Game of Thrones first in Winterfell and then later at Castle Black on the Wall where he travels with his bastard nephew Jon Snow. He is sent on a mission into the lands beyond the Wall to search for a missing ranging party, but he and his men also disappear.
Lyanna Stark	Lyanna Stark is Ned Stark's younger and only sister, and has been deceased for 14 years at the beginning of A Game of Thrones, but is mentioned in the series' every published book. She is said to be beautiful and headstrong by all who knew her, and is one of the best horse-riders in the North. She was betrothed to Robert Baratheon, who deeply loved her, though she was not impressed by Robert's reputation of infidelity. Her life's tales are mainly told through the words of Eddard Stark and Meera Reed (via Bran Stark's POV chapters), with some passing commentaries from other people such as Barristan Selmy, Cersei Lannister, Roose Bolton and Kevan Lannister. During the Tourney at Harrenhal, the greatest tourney in Westerosi history, Lyanna was chosen by the eventual champion of jousting, Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, as the tourney's "Queen of Love and Beauty". Because Rhaegar was already a married man and Lyanna was a maiden betrothed to Robert Baratheon, his wooing of her was considered an outrageous scandal at the time. One year later, she was said to be abducted and raped by Rhaegar, triggering a civil war that resulted in the overthrow of House Targaryen. At the end of the war, Eddard and six of his companions found Lyanna inside a tower within Dorne, guarded by three of the most prominent Kingsguard knights. After a fierce skirmish that killed everyone except Eddard and his close friend Howland Reed, Eddard entered the tower and found Lyanna dying in a bed of blood. Before she died, she asked Eddard to make a promise. Eddard later returns her body to be buried at Winterfell's crypt, with a stone statue built in front of her coffin. Robert marries Cersei Lannister instead, though he greatly mourns Lyanna for over a decade, causing great strain in his marriage with Cersei.

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Aegon Targaryen

The article says

Tyrion meets Aegon, who intends to marry Daenerys and unite their claims, and persuades him to attack Westeros now rather than going to Daenerys in Slaver's Bay. In A Dance with Dragons, he and his army land in the Stormlands and capture several castles, and plans to lay siege to the Baratheon seat of Storm's End.

The character described here is Young Griff, who claims to be Aegon. But is it established in the books that this is in fact the case? Seems to me it’s still ambiguous whether he is truly Aegon or just a pretender. Should this be clarified in the article? — Dodiad (talk) 07:49, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

House Mormont

I've recently come across a page dedicated to House Mormont, the family on Bear Island and one of the noble families in the North. It seems to be disconnected from the other Song of Ice and Fire pages and doesn't seems to be disassociated from other pages in the series. Rather than leaving the House Mormont page disconnected and orphaned, would it be better to merge it with this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark knight 2013 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm just going to redirect that to here. There's no attempt at establishing notability, and the page is unwarranted. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 18:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Shae and the Kettlebacks

I was thinking of adding Shae, as she serves as part of Tyrion's arch in the first three books, particularly A Storm of Swords. Additionally, I was thinking of adding the Kettlebacks, who serve as henchmen to Cersei and are later responsible for her downfall in A Feast for Crows. The section could be written in the same vein as the Sand Snakes', only adjusted for the brothers. Any objections? Dark knight 2013 (talk) 00:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Family trees are not visible in mobile version

Hi, does anybody knows why the family trees of the Houses are not visible in the mobile version? And is it wanted like this? --W like wiki ^{good to know} 21:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

"I'd fuck her" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Dunk and egg are part of a song of ice and fire now?

@IronMaximus: When did this character appear in A Song of Ice and Fire? I see you added this character back in. I think you have mistaken anything by GRRM for A Song of Ice and Fire Bear skello (talk) 06:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and removed this. I haven't read the books in several months, but have never encountered this character in this series. I know they have their own non song of ice and fire series where they feature as a main character, and this information is probably better off there A song of ice and fire should have been a trilogy (talk) 14:21, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

The character still originated from the ASOIAF novels, though only by mentions instead of appearances, but that still makes him an ASOIAF character. And I don't understand why you're saying that we're "mixing" franchises. The Hedge Knight is still the same franchise. There's also a couple of other characters from The Tales of Dunk and Egg, so Duncan isn't the only one. I don't see any reason to remove him. IronMaximus (talk) 06:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@IronMaximus: Could you add some sources? I'm pretty sure those other editors are correct. He isn't a character, there may be a passing mention, but an unsourced paragraph seems... Undue. 73.6.77.46 (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

In fact, I'm going to be bold and just remove this like the other editors have done. Please don't add this back without a reference from a reliable source. He doesn't have a line in the books, doesn't interact with the plot in the books, and none of the characters in the book are more than vaguely aware of the name existing. He isn't a character in the book anymore than Tyrions dead ex fiance, who was important (but not a character either) Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of facts. 73.6.77.46 (talk) 04:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

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