Talk:List of Atari Lynx games

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Complete?[edit]

Is this list complete? I mean, is every game ever created for the lynx on here? Govvy 19:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

INCOMPLETE!!!!!![edit]

www.atariage.com Has every one, probably —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeQel (talk • contribs) 22:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Complete[edit]

Looking at this list now, I would have to say that it is definitely now complete to this date. Every game that ever had a cart release for the Lynx currently appears on this list, and one can check the AtariAge website (specifically the forum) to very this, as there are many avid Lynx fans on there who do a great job of tracking all of them. Bennyray37 (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In actuallity, the list is 80% complete. There's some titles missing + we need to add more info about the unreleased games. Also we need to rename the licensed games list to release & post-release games, to add the upcoming homebrew games by the Lynx community at Atariage & other forums. I'm also going to add japanese release dates to some of the titles listed here since the system was actually released in Japan. User:KGRAMR (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KGRAMR:, if they are released games that are missing please let us know, but Homebrew games generally aren't accepted on wiki unless they get the right coverage and break barriers so they wouldn't qualify for listing. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy:, i will. Here's some recent examples of homebrew games that are released with the same level of quality as Zaku: http://luchs-soft.de/shop/index.php?cPath=11_43_67. Also, a unreleased game was recently published with the blessing of the original developed who did it: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/269049-quadromania-available-now/. I will also post the sources to make sure where such & such title came from. User:KGRAMR (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: I'm in the middle of finishing a list here on Wikipedia so that's why it has taken me a long time to do something here but once i'm clear i'll try to help here as much as i can (in regards to official and unreleased titles for the system). Now in regards to homebrew games, knowing that there's articles here on Wikipedia for homebrews released on Dreamcast, Jaguar, Neo Geo, etc., i'll make a New article dedicated to it :-) User:KGRAMR (talk) 16:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some of these listed as 'homebrew' aren't technically, so I would argue that the section called 'Unlicensed/Unreleased'. For example, Alien Vs Predator, Daemonsgate, Eye of the Beholder, Relief Pitcher, Road Riot 4WD were either official ports or had been licensed, but were never properly released (such as Road Riot which was pretty much completed, others prototype/unfinished). I remember having an early proto eprom of Road Riot going back to the mid 1990s. A lot of the eproms were eventually 'dumped' in the early 00s and made available on-line, particularly when the 'Handy' emulator came out. The most complete and accurate resource is this page on Atari Age 77.86.103.78 (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

homebrew?[edit]

I was wondering have homebrew titles made it into this list? And why? I am not sure on Unlicensed titles with a cartridge release section, is it needed? Would it pass WP:Notability? Govvy (talk) 21:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your edit removing this section, the section did indeed meet notability guidelines, in my opinion, and I recommend you add it back in. It is not hard to find that post-market releases, as a topic in general, gets significant coverage in magazines and such. Thus, this is not a fringe topic. The point is that the list, itself, is notable, even if many of the items in the list are not notable to many people. Notability requirements do not require list items to be notable unless, perhaps, the list is getting too long. The guidelines are pretty clear on all of that. The lengths of the lists here do not merit item scrubbing nor even a separate page for the section lists (such as this page: List of Dreamcast homebrew games) thus, the inclusion here on one page.

If you still doubt the notability of the general interest in post-market commercial games and, even, homebrew games, consider the cost of producing a cartridge copy of a game and making it publicly available. It is not small. The sites and events supporting such work are not few. The production value behind Zaku (video game), for example, is not likely to want ignoring by a significant number of people researching Lynx releases. These things are certainly of interest to those looking at post-market interest in consoles in general -- which is pretty high considering the number of consoles that see later reproductions. Just because the Lynx is less popular than most other consoles, that shouldn't reduce its right to equal merit in these areas. The notability guidelines are pretty clear on that as well.

Also, note that this list was obviously not intended to included any little homebrew game fans might write and run on an emulator. It is pretty clearly intended to have an objective minimum criteria of only including those that made a significant effort to market hardware copies at some point, however great or small (commercial or "homebrew" [which I find to be a pretty poor term for Wikipedia lists]). On that note, other collateral from removal of this section is that it has contributed to confusion over games like Raiden and Bubble Trouble that were in production at the time of the collapse of the Lynx but saw a later unlicensed release (assuming I got those details correct, ad lib). juanitogan (talk) 05:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They are fringe games know, if it's a home-brew game it doesn't belong on wikipedia, there maybe exceptions if a game gets large enough coverage but Atari Lynx games do not get that kind of coverage and a few people agreed with me to remove that part of the list. Govvy (talk) 14:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction and repeat of information[edit]

The edit I just made was to remove all the unnecessary text that had been added that duplicated the contents of the Atari lynx article. This article is a list of Lynx games. The emphasis also appeared to be on the Epyx involvement and, since the person who added it is associated with someone who claims to represent Epyx it brings the question of conflict of interest into play. WP:CoI? Should this article duplicate the parent articles or be, as intended by it's title, a straightforward list of Lynx games? StraightDown (talk) 01:45, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I should also add that the unreleased/unlicenced games list lacks any citations as to where these names originated. StraightDown (talk) 01:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That part of the list is not mine, that was there already. While some were mentioned in magazines, the mayority actually comes from official Atari Lynx catalogs and internal paperworks but others are mentioned in interviews, such as Firepower. Yes, Firepower WAS actually planned for the Lynx. KGRAMR (talk) 23:20 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I also felt it wasn't needed for such a large introduction, but the introduction still could be improved. Govvy (talk) 12:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's the duplication aspect that raised the question, it was almost a complete copy of the lynx article. As there is contention on the sales numbers in the talk on there, it would effectively lead to a second front for that sort of issue to be re-fought yet again. If one article is then updated there will be a discrepancy between this and the parent.

It does need a rewrite though as that, unfortunately, was a quick rewrite of the previous wall of text.

StraightDown (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if anybody can make a short and more straightfoward to the article about the system then that's cool. I'm going to start the draft of post-releases for the Lynx right now on my sandbox area. KGRAMR (talk) 10:28 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Conjecture issue[edit]

There appears to be a large proportion of titles on here that are either uncited or end in the equivalent of "nothing found of it beyond a mention in a magazine". The other part is that mystical percentages completed are occasionally referenced without being mentioned in the citations e.g. the strider 2 50% one when there are numerous other citations that say it was complete and handed over. Question is how to handle this apart from deletions. StraightDown (talk) 16:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some of the citations shouldn't be used, YouTube is a problem because we don't always know the copyrights. Also, are you referring to the main list for citation? Or the unreleased list? Govvy (talk) 20:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

sorry about not specifying that, I meant the cancelled games section in particular. I've started working through them, checking out each citation to see if it matches the text. I'm just unsure how best to resolve the ones with no citations and so no attribution. StraightDown (talk) 20:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Govvy/Sandbox[edit]

If anyone is interested I have some of the Atari Lynx games in my sandbox that I have been working on, they require further citations to bring them up to standard. If anyone wants to add to them please do. Govvy (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Original release games[edit]

The first list should be all the games that were released before the Atari Lynx became a cancelled, unsupported machine. We seem to have games that should be in a separate list, also, Home-brew games, we need to be careful, should only be listing games that pass WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy:I know which games you're talking about (Fat Bobby, Raiden & Hyperdrome), however as those titles were licensed releases by Telegames, these do count in the first list but that's just my opinion...Roberth Martinez (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy:Now in regards to homebrew titles, i've seen articles and references (both online and in magazines) talking about them and i plan to do something with them in the future, but only after i'm fully finished with work on Atari Jaguar-related articles.Roberth Martinez (talk) 02:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]