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To user:Stlemur, the list clearly states they must have declared themselves as fascist, their roots are not relevant as for example Russia is the inheritor country for the USSR but it is not a socialist republic, and neither does it promote any communist ideology, they ditched that when they became just Russia. Please refrain from colouring information with your own political views, to do so just discredits and pollutes Wikipedia as a source of information.

UKIP keep getting added in along with the BNP, national front and Britain first. The heading clearly states "these parties have openly declared themselves as fascist", so adding a party that has not openly declared themselves (or in the case of the national front denied they are fascist) is wrong, please keep your political views to yourself. If someone really believed in fascism they would be very disappointed if they joined any of the above organisations as none of them offer fascism and only one (BNP) offers socialism (socialism always means the state has some or total control over its subjects, as a socialist believes that it is allowable to enforce their will on others via the power of the state, hence taken to an extreme it is always a tyranny typical of fascism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch r stanton (talk • contribs) 11:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For goodness' sake the BNP are right wing but not OFFICIALLY Fascist. The National Front might be Fascist but they are not OFICIALLY Fascist. Are you some kind of far-left, politically correct, do-gooder???????????? If so why don`t you keep your political ideas to yourself. Wikipedia supports a neutral point of view not a biased one like yours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.7 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 25 February 2006.

Holding oneself out to be a fascist movement is only one of the criteria used to determine whether a given movement deserves inclusion on this list; I've listed the other criteria above. While the BNP has not declared itself to be a fascist movement, they are an inheritor organization of the British Union of Fascists (most directly via the League of Empire Loyalists). The specifics of inclusion are probably better addressed on Talk:British National Party and Talk:British National Front. --Stlemur 23:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer the question you some kind of far-left, politically correct, do-gooder???????????? If so why don`t you keep your political ideas to yourself. Wikipedia supports a neutral point of view not a biased one like yours. Damn yank

Now come come. Get a hold of yourselfs, both of you. You both have points but if you look at the criteria for Fascism then you will notice that the BNP and the NF fit a couple of these categories, but not all. Stlemur why don`t you be a bit more neutral. Come on. Lets all be friends and peace all round, eh? MrHill 00:00 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Regarding the 07/03/2006 deletions by anons: I have reverted them, in accordance with what seems to be the consensus regarding the BNP and BNF. I note, furthermore, that no argument supporting the deletions has been offered other than to say that the parties are "not officially fascist" -- in other words, that they do not fulfill the final criterion as supported by the WikiProject. This may well be true, but it is not a necessary condition for inclusion. --Stlemur 00:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop all your politically correct rubbish "Stlemur" why are you such a do gooder.

Consensus in the articles on the BNF and BNP seems to be that both parties are, at the very least, strongly influenced by fascism and have been either outrightly or effectively fascistic in the past. On that basis, they deserve inclusion in this list, even if the BNP has indeed changed in recent years. If the statement that either party is disputed, that discussion should happen on the talk pages for those articles, not here.

Also, I ask that you please keep this discussion civil. While I respect your right to disagree, name-calling serves neither of us. --Stlemur 18:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They are democratic or at least the BNP is more liberal. They support democracy. If you`re going to include them on this page then why not include every single British political party as they have at least one right wing issue, even the communist pary does. The BNP and the National Front support democracy, do not support corporatism, do not want to intern political undesirables and do not support totalitarian regimes. Why is wikipedia letting political correctness win.

The only real controversy, I think, is whether the BNP is fascist in 2009. It was formerly an openly fascist party. Until ten years ago, it was run by the man on the left in this picture. According to Nick Griffin:

The BNP did come from a fascist past, but there is generally now a party-wide understanding that we no longer want a large central state, and that we are concerned about any state having too much power. [1]

So it surely can be put on the list, but with a disclaimer that it currently does not describe itself as fascist. --89.242.184.16 (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Post-war[edit]

I'm staying clear of the debate about the BNP as consensus will never be had but I've added the post-War groups that I feel are non-controversial (some hope). Effectively I have put in those who have directly referenced the fascist or Nazi past in order to make their appeals and, where appropriate, included cautionary notes. I've avoided non-political parties due to the title of the article as well. Keresaspa 13:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section clearly says groups that are openly fascist, the BNP and modern NF both are not openly fascist (even the wiki pages acknowledge this) nor do they support the tenants of facism which are no free speech, violence to achieve aims and a disregard for the democratic process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch r stanton (talk • contribs) 11:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Additional page reference verification needed[edit]

The reference and bibliography section at the bottom of the page needs to have page references to the stated information on the page, if no such references can be found then the information should be removed. added

U6j65 (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Who's This "UKIP are Fascist" anon?[edit]

While lots of people don't think much of the UK Independence Party, they clearly are not actually fascist. This anon at 109.146.102.181 is looking vandal-like. Paul S (talk) 16:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And now another anon with a different IP Address joins in... sock puppet? Paul S (talk) 18:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. An IP starting with 86.148.244.217 has been undoing my removal of UKIP on a regular basis. Till there is a source, I'm going to keep undoing it. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]