Talk:List of Europe tropical cyclones/Archive 1

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Ophelia 05?

I left the storm off the list, since I have no evidence it actually affected Europe, despite that the track is just north of the UK, and storms like that generally do affect Europe. No other storms in the 21st century should be missing though. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

How far north did Ophelia pass north the UK? If it was just a few miles, I'd add it. (I don't feel like opening another tab to find out as I am trying to do 3 things at a time :P). Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

[1] - it passed about halfway between Iceland and the UK, and without any confirmed impact, I'm skeptical to include it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Surface analysis, however, indicates a trailing front moved over the UK Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

But of course we can't cite images. GRRR!!! >:( ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe mention it passed halfway between Iceland and the UK? If not, don't include it. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

But again, no confirmed impact. I do have a solution though. According to the track, Ophelia passed over the Faroe Islands. I think I'll add it that way, and cite it to best track. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Sounds okay to me. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:23, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

That also works because the Faroe Islands aren't part of the outermost regions of the EU, as I learned by doing some additional research. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Erika 97 is in a similar boat. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Name?

I realize the article title isn't entirely consistent with other titles (see List of New Mexico hurricanes), so I figured I'd bring up a discussion. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Strictly the list would be Vince and the arguments for Debbie. Possibly "Post-tropical cyclone effects in Europe" but that might be less search friendly, I can live with the title as it is.Lacunae (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

The Great Storm of 1987/Hurricane Floyd

Arguably Hurricane Floyd (1987) provided an inflow of moist air which helped the Great Storm of 1987 develop over western Europe.Lacunae (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

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Establishing criteria for notability

I look for any input regarding establishing notability criteria in regards to additions to this page.Lacunae (talk) 20:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Why is storm Stephanie here?

Why is it part of the article. This storm is not even officially classified as a tropical cyclone by the National Hurricane Center. I proposed that it should be deleted due to the fact that it's not a tropical cyclone. INeedSupport (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

It's included in the Medicane page, so it probably should be here. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

(As an aside, I don't see it mentioned in the Medicane page.) I guess it's here because MeteoFrance stated it was subtropical for some reason. I wouldn't advocate removal but I would definitely advocate for more information about the controversy around the MeteoFrance designation included here, so the reader can make up their own mind about Stephanie perhaps easier. Perhaps the information at present is limited due to it not really interacting with land so much. I'd say it is better here than with the Medicanes due to basin homogeneity, rather than a linguistic shoe-horn of Medicane and a so-called "Biscane".Lacunae (talk) 21:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Mediterranean Cyclones

Maybe it's just me, but shouldn't we mention the very real effects the Mediterranean Cyclones. Many of them may not have Tropical Characteristics, but some have. Remember Cyclone 01M in the last few years? --Lionheart Omega (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

They aren't officially tropical cyclones. The article does mention the potential for legit TC's to form in the Medit though. Cyclone 01M was semi-official, but there aren't any agencies here. Ack, tough call. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't think it'll hurt to mention TC 01M, considering NOAA marked it as a tropical cyclone. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, added a tidbit about the Mediterranean systems. They're basically considered a separate type of storm - medicanes. They're not purely tropical (nor are they referred to as subtropical) so they don't really meet the criteria for inclusion within this article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

see Mediterranean tropical cyclone.Lacunae (talk) 20:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I extended the section of 2017's TS Rina by a few sentences about Cyclone Numa as Météo France officially classified it subtropical and as it was the successor system of Rina. I think that is a noteworthy information about TC effects in Europe as it shows that an Atlantic TC can become a partially-tropical medicane after crossing Europe as an extratropical remnant system, becoming a disaster in Southern Europe. Thus, Atlantic systems can have indirect effects in the Mediterranean, as this case shows. 2001:16B8:4641:9700:5D12:923B:EC4A:F104 (talk) 01:50, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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Reversion by FleurDeOdile: why?

Why was the information about Alpha's history reverted? No note was left in the reversion history. The information that was reverted is both sourced and relevant, especially given the statement in the lede that tropical systems generally do not form east of 30W (let alone as far north as 48N -- same latitude as Newfoundland!) -- so this system is a rather large exception to that statement. Unlike the 1848 storm, this one did not swing around by way of N. America before it hit Europe. Unlike Vince, it did not arise from the traditionally hurricane-forming waters off the coast of Africa. Both the NHC and Météo France (and, later, Spain) were tracking Invest 99L starting at 48N -- the link I provided showed a partial track (upper right hand corner). For exact coordinates, please reference NOAA and Météo France notes (for NHC, Invest 99L; for Météo France, High Seas). An ideal image of the full invest track used to be available at http://trackthetropics.com/INVEST99/ . The tweet at https://twitter.com/JakeCarstens/status/1305859509299089414 tracks it from 45N. (The tweeter was actively working -- professionally -- on analysing data from Sally at the time.) - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 02:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

At 2020 Atlantic hurricane season near the top of the page, they added https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#/media/File:Paulette,_Rene,_Sally,_Teddy_and_Vicky_2020-09-14_1550Z.jpg showing (with caption) the tropical wave which will become Alpha on a satellite pic -- Sept 14! Might be an idea to add that one here. Also, this is the earliest NHC 2-day outlook for the wave which will become Alpha: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/xgtwo/gtwo_archive.php?current_issuance=202009150900&basin=atl&fdays=2 - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

there is no point at all to mention invest designation. Fleur De Odile 13:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with @FleurDeOdile: there is NO point to mention internal designations pre-formation for the most part. ~ AC5230 talk 19:06, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 7 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 02:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Tropical cyclone effects in Europe → List of Europe tropical cyclones – Only in the first paragraph says anything about the effects of tropical cyclones in Europe. The rest of the article is about the climatology of the area and the tropical cyclones that affected Europe. RandomInfinity17 (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

As the writer of this article, I don't mind, and could see that argument, since it parallels most other tropical cyclone list articles. I originally made the title as such because there are only three (sub)tropical cyclones on record to strike continental Europe, and I wasn't sure if titling it "List of Europe tropical cyclones" made sense considering how many storms in the list are remnants or extratropical cyclones that were formerly tropical. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I decided to start a move discussion mainly because of the "effects" in the title. I see why List of Europe tropical cyclones may not be the best because only three tropical cyclones were not extratropical at landfall, but I feel like it was the best for a potential new title. RandomInfinity17 (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

That's true. IDK how best to differentiate it, since we don't want to include Mediterranean TC's (Medicane), which aren't official TC's, and this article focuses on continental Europe. By just having "List of Europe tropical cyclones", I worry people might be confused that majority of the storms were extratropical. I suppose that makes me wonder - does this list have value as it is? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Of course it has value. Europeans will want to know which tropical cyclones affected them. 108.58.9.194 (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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