Talk:List of Formula One driver records

Definition of points-scoring races/points finishes

There's been some to and fro recently regarding whether Lewis Hamilton's streak of 22 consecutive points finishes (2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - 2023 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix) should be included race in the "Most consecutive points finishes" table. The source for the table (https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilote/point/consecutif.aspx) includes it, but some editors obviously feel it shouldn't be included because he didn't score points in the Grand Prix in Qatar or USA (but he did score points in both sprint races).

It opens up the wider question of whether race meetings where the driver scores points in the sprint but not in the Grand Prix should be included in the "Total points-scoring races", "Most consecutive points finishes" and "Highest percentage of points-scoring races (at least 15 entries)" tables? The source we use for these tables (StatsF1) does include such race meetings, so I think our article should too:

• to avoid original research,
• for internal consistency, noting that we include sprint points in the "Most consecutive points scored" table, and
• to avoid having to continually explain why our tables don't match the specified source.

Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 02:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: StatsF1 have now added a page for "Consecutive points finishes without sprints" (https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilote/point/consecutif-sans-sprint.aspx) and the source for the "Most consecutive points finishes" table has been changed to point there. So the table (which doesn't include Hamilton's streak of 22) now matches the source again. DH85868993 (talk) 20:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Do Sprint races count for consecutive points finishes also?

In my opinion either the naming should be adjusted as to reflect that sprintraces are not included or the list should include sprintraces. Because for the rules the sprintrace are races, with a start and finish.

This could hurt some points streaks, and push some others. Zanquis (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Most teams driven for in a season

The page currently lists Nyck de Vries with 5 constructors, but he only drove one grand prix for Williams F1 in the season he was listed.

Including practice runs, it appears he only actually drove the car for 3 teams, Alpine F1 (during test at Hungaroring), Williams F1 (practice in Spain, race at Monza), and Mercedes-AMG F1 (two practice runs at France and Mexico). He did also receive a seat fitting for McLaren prior to Brazil GP, but did not race for the team or participate in practice.

I'm not sure what event he participated in with Aston Martin F1, but overall the data appears incorrect and should be amended. I'm not sure if this would alter the current record holder. 71.178.74.165 (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The links to the artidles desbcribing each of the different activities he did for each team are profided in the references. Seems quite clear to me.

Krughal (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Entries or starts?

In a lot of lists there is a column about entries. I'm wondering if we should change some of those to starts.

When we talk about pole positions, it isn't necessary that the driver starts the race (as we've seen at the 2021 Monaco Grand Prix with Chalres Leclerc), hence why the number of entries is the right stat. But to achieve a win, fastest lap, podium, points, race finish, race lead, etcetra, the driver must start the race. That's why the number of entries give a false indication for the records. For example, the percentages get severely changed because of this, as the entries are often higher than the starts, making the percentages unfairly lower. So I'm suggesting that some (not all) 'entries' columns get changed to 'starts' for wins, podiums, etc.

Thoughts? Wiki4David (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

"at least 15 entries"

While I really do understand and it is for sure fair to set minimum quota of entries strictly in terms of percentage records (Lewis Hamilton leading in 55,99% of the races he entered, 187 out of 334, is by far greater achievement than Markus Winkelhock leading in his only race, Grand Prix of Europe in 2007), then one thing puzzles me. Why 15 entries, not ie. 10, 20 or 25? Is there a reason for that?

I know there are few Indianapolis 500 Grand Prix drivers who entered only few races and some of them scored like 80% of podium finishes or have something 75% pole position accuracy, but there were only 11 editions from 1950 to 1960. 89.151.18.51 (talk) 13:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The references

A lot of references added to the tables are outdated. Some are good, from StatsF1 for example. But some are more than 5 years old and have not been updated. Some are about the recordholder only, not saying anything about the rest of the top 10, which you cannot use as reference. For example news articles about Lewis Hamilton who broke a record. Some references don't even mention anything about the record, they're just there so there is a reference present. This all also causes that there are too many references listed, which also adds up to the data and loading time of this already big page. The references on Wikipedia are there so people can fact check and learn more about what was written. So I suggest we only use references who are useful and tell us the full truth about what is said. Wiki4David (talk) 18:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)