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Should be[edit]

S/be List of Jewish American politicians. 24.17.48.241 06:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article?[edit]

There might be something very sinister about this article. I did not see a list of Catholic American politicians, or a list of Baptist politicians or a list of Hispanic-American politicians or Greek-American politicians. There is a list of Italian-American politicians, but it seems to be incomplete and doesn't include those in the federal government. This is the kind of list that can be a prelude to Nurenberg-type laws, and some of the comments below are coming pretty close to the same philosophy. What is your criterion for Jewish? Is 1/8 Jewish enough? Does it depend on religious belief or "race"? What is the justification for compiling only a list of Jews?

There is a list of famous Irish-American politicians, but it isn't just tabulating all the Irishmen in American politics.

It would be appropriate and informative to have one article (perhaps in sections) with statistics on the religious and ethnic affiliations of politicians in the United States. It would then be obvious ,for example, that there were not very many Catholic (1) or Jewish (0 thus far) or Hindu (0) or Buddhist (0) or female (0) or African (0 so far) Presidents, nor many whose ancestors hailed from Southern or Eastern Europe.

Is this list a research project for some Senator who will proclaim, "I have here a list of 57 Jews in the State Department?" Mewnews (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is MadJackOLantern??[edit]

When you get a chance, this is ANOTHER list that has run seriously amuk. What is going on?? Seriously, anybody know whats up?? Thanks! --Tom 20:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are not Jewish if your father is Jewish, only if your mother is[edit]

The following do not qualify:

  • William Cohen, secretary of defense (1997-01) (currently a Unitarian Universalist, father was Jewish)

George Allen[edit]

According to his Wikipedia entry, his mother was Jewish. He should be on this list, right? User:Remygreen 08:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, he really shouldn't. He may have Jewish blood but he is most certainly not Jewish. I'm removing him, but if people think I'm wrong, they can put him back. 24.229.152.70 06:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Errr that's like saying you have Italian blood but you're not Italian... it doesn't make sense. Anyway, there are WP:RS that refer to Allen as Jewish, so that's all that is needed.... Mad Jack 07:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Kerry[edit]

Hmmm... I wonder why he's under the Presidential Candidates listing, HE'S NOT JEWISH!!

John kerry his father is jewish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.57.251 (talk) 19:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If someone identifies as Christian. If they were raised Christian. If under Jewish law, they are not Jewish, but you have decided to "classify" them as Jewish on the basis of YOUR own definition, ignoring both the person's identification and Jewish law... That sounds pretty foolish. And I can only think of one precedent. And it's not flattering. not sure how to sign off so I'll try this ~ affinity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.28.151 (talk) 02:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are ethnic Jews included?[edit]

If the person was raised catholic but their mother was an ethnic jew, would that person be included in the article? Please let me know, as we are having a discussion on this matter on another page. Yes, I have read the section on being Jewish, but some people disagree with my conclusions. Any thoughts on the matter would be helpful. Thank You.

Here is the gist of being "Jewish" for Wikipedia purposes (or being "Italian-American", "Irish-American", etc.). If a reputable source called a person "Jewish", regardless of whether that person's mother, father, or paternal great-grandfather was Jewish, then they are Jewish for Wikipedia purposes unless there is an equally or more reliable source that says they are "not Jewish". This is the same for any X-American label. I believe there are sources - mostly excited headlines - that call George Felix Allen "Jewish", therefore it is fine under WP:V and WP:NOR. Mad Jack 08:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you tell this to User:Jayjg and his unacceptable, tyrannical, and unreasonable behavior at the List of Jewish American businesspeople article that myself and others spent quite a bit of time building up. He specifically singled out that particular article (pushing his own POV agenda, accusing me of "pointing out every rich Jew in America") for a mass deletion/reversion, citing "failure to source every name" even though well over 90% of ALL the lists of Jews and others on Wikipedia aren't sourced; to point out his blatant hypocrisy I subsequently tagged most of the articles (lists of Jews) that I could find that didn't have a source for every single name (per Jayjg's 'new policy'). If sources aren't added soon TO EVERY NAME on these lists (or if the businesspeople list isn't rightfully restored) I will ask Jayjg to start blanking those lists just as he did the Jewish American businesspeople article. I won't even harp on about the deletion of Category:Jewish American businesspeople, except for the fact that it was a triple intersection category and therefore its deletion meant that many of the people formerly in that category had their Jewish identity entirely lost, sunk forever in to the mass oblivion of the too-broad Category:American businesspeople. --WassermannNYC 17:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So what was the conclusion on this? Ted Kaufman identifies as Catholic. Should he still be included here? Qqqqqq (talk) 16:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From what I see, Wikipedia has a broad policy of defining who is Jewish. Jewish can mean someone who has two ethnic Jewish parents regardless of their religion (like Woody Allen who is an Athiest), a person who has a Jewish mother (which is the de facto requirement for Orthodox Jews), a person who has an ethnic Jewish ancestor (I have seen people who are 1/8th Jewish listed as "American Jews" on wikipedia), or people who are practicing Judaism (including converts like Sammie Davis Jr). The best approach is to list the person as such but with an explanation of their particular situation. The term "American Jews" or "American Jewish politicians" should be changed to "Americans of Jewish Heritage" and American Politicains of Jewish Heritage" This page is somewhat odd in that it is merely an ambiguation page and the fact that all the congresspeople are clearly attributed as Jewish on their linked biographical page (so why then is attribution necessary here?)Patapsco913 (talk) 09:42, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if a page like this must exist, then it will use Wikipedia's standard criteria, that is, reliable secondary sources. If reliable secondary sources describe them as Jewish, then they can be included. Jayjg (talk) 15:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Holbrooke[edit]

Richard Holbrooke is a Jew. Should be added to the list.

References needed[edit]

I have commented out the unreferenced names here using the html comment feature (<!-- and -->). These need to have sources for each name listed and should not really be re-added (uncommented) until the source can be provided. Yes, I know some of these are "DUH"s, but we need to be strict when dealing with sources. Mahalo. --Ali'i 16:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Golda Meir[edit]

I am tempted to add Golda Meir to this list, but I suspect it is the intention of this list to include people who were politicans in the United States and not also Americans who became politicans elsewhere.

Since no one responded to my earlier (and sadly unsigned) comment, I went ahead and was bold. -Acjelen 15:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well an anonymous user removed Golda Meir, but without comment. American Jews is somewhat unclear about whether American Israelis or American expats in Palestine prior to 1947 continue to be American Jews. I'll leave such politicians off this list until I can learn more. -Acjelen 06:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From the Wikipedia article List_of_Irish_American_politicians: Éamon de Valera - President of Ireland [35] "The child of a Spanish father and an Irish mother, de Valera was born in New York City, but moved to Ireland upon the death of his father. He became a teacher of mathematics and an avid supporter of the Irish language movement...' Therefore, such lists should include Americans who become politicians elsewhere, if there should be such lists at all. There are others besides Golda Meir of course. Benjamin Nethanyahu's mother was American, and I believe he held American citizenship until he had to give it up to be an Israeli diplomat. Mewnews (talk) 00:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other section[edit]

I trimed the non politicians from this list. Along the same lines, are cabinet members or people that are selected to serve, ect and not elected considered politicians? Do we have a definition for politician? Thanks, --Tom 14:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see a section on Economists? Is this appropriate for this list? --Tom 14:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need to add President Obama's new Chief of Staff Rep. Rahm Emanuel66.168.185.35 (talk) 00:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why no list of former cabinet members - Henry Kissinger? Or do we need a separate list for people in government who weren't elected? By the way, this would also apply to the Supreme Court Justices. Very few Justices (of any race or religion) have come from the political branches. According to the LA Times, the 1st Jewish Cabinet member was Oscar Straus appointed by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906 to be Secretary of Commerce & Labor.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0211-zimmerman-bernie-sanders-jewish-20160211-story.html
Perhaps the list title should be Jewish Americans in US government.Ileanadu (talk)

Al Franken[edit]

Al Franken (D) Minn., should be added to the list of current senators —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.182.130 (talk) 00:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Dianne Feinstein should also be added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.200.76 (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Should be list of Zionist politicians[edit]

The list should include Zionists politicians. Joe Biden the V.P. got up before A.I.P.A.C, and advocated his belief in Zionism. There should be a list who serve in the Congress/Senate who are in the zionist movement......... anthny —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthny (talk • contribs) 03:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nebraska Congressman Lee Terry is Jewish[edit]

Lee terry's maternal grandmother was a Jewish, which makes him Jewish.

She was a Jewish Russian immigrant.

This would make him the second republican congressman.

http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=11175&alias=congressman-discovers-roots —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.171.236 (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question about Jacob Lew[edit]

Jacob Lew is, of course, the current Director of the Office of Management and Budget (2010-present) -- but I don't completely understand the way this list is laid out, so I hesitate to make that notation, since he is already listed for his old term, 1998-2001. (Actually this list says 1999-2001, but the wikipedia article about him has 1998-2001.) In any event, should he be in the top category now (Obama administration), since the second section seems to be for individuals in past positions, even though the label for that section does not say so? Should (2010-present) just be added after the (1998-2001) note...or, since the list (second section) is chronological, should he be listed twice? Somehow his present term in office should be included, but I'll leave it up to someone who understands the layout of this list better than I do to figure out how to do that. I'm just confused.NearTheZoo (talk) 03:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Completion the list[edit]

This list should include also American Jewish who previously served American Jewish political positions, not just those who serve currently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.82.171 (talk) 23:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two things[edit]

  1. "Famous" is WP:PEACOCK. I see it used more than once in the list.
  2. If the list is intended to be limited to certain political offices or certain periods in time, as appears to be the case here, this isn't spelled out in the textual body. I just glanced, but it appears this issue has been brought up already on this talk page. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 22:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to "notable". --Երևանցի talk 18:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where did Anthony Weiner and Bob Filner go?[edit]

Why have they been scrubbed off this page? Wouldn't they fit in previous Representatives? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.218.80 (talk) 15:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I left my previous comments, something had been bothering me, but I couldn't put my finger on it. This comment made it clearer. Wikipedia in general has had a real problem in acknowledging that "The Church of What's Happening Now!" was a cute name Flip Wilson came up with in support of a comedy sketch, rather than an underlying philosophy of crafting encyclopedic content. I still see no clear rationale for this list's limited breadth and depth, other than the obvious realization that there are a lot of Jewish politicians in the United States. That we would mention so few of them in the list leads to the impression that we're giving more free exposure to individuals who already have plenty at the present time. There's also the usual glaring contextual holes I could drive a tractor pulling a doublewide load through. For instance, the fact that Emanuel Celler served in the U.S. House for a half century really isn't all that important because of how long ago he left office. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing. The qualifier "major American cities" used in limiting the list of mayors could certainly be open to interpretation any number of ways. Anchorage has come to be regarded as a major American city in "modern times", but it most certainly wasn't when Jews such as Leopold David and Zachariah J. Loussac served as mayor. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 11:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Highest[edit]

This source calls Cantor the (at the time) "highest-ranking elected Jewish official" in American history by virtue of his status as House majority leader. A) If that's still true, we should mention it and B) Who were the highest-ranking un-elected Jewish officials? It's fine that this list doesn't include judges but it should certainly include senior appointed executive-branch officials or change its name to something with "elected" on the tin. — LlywelynII 14:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Judah P. Benjamin[edit]

A reader pointed out the omission of Judah P. Benjamin who is included in List of Jewish members of the United States Congress. Could someone add him to this list?

If someone wants to be ambitious they should organize this page so that you can transcludethe of the page and thus avoid the situation where they are out of sync.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:11, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Bernie Sander's Political Affiliation[edit]

I don't think that it's correct to categorize Bernie Sanders as a democratic senator when he was elected as an independent candidate, and is a member of the senate as an independent who caucuses with the democrats. The row should have a white/grey accent instead of blue, and should list him as Independent. I didn't think I should change it unilaterally. [1] 24.218.54.39 (talk) 22:44, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://www.sanders.senate.gov/about

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Supreme Court justices?[edit]

Since when are Supreme Court justices "politicians"? Jayjg (talk) 22:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove this section, then. Anyone interested can look in Demographics of the Supreme Court of the United States#Jewish_justices. Jayjg (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved the section where it belongs, at List of Jewish American jurists. Jayjg (talk) 20:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. presidential cabinet officers[edit]

Under "Federal government," I propose that Jewish heads of executive departments and other cabinet-level officers be included. I can think of several off the top of my head (Kissinger, Morgenthau, Goldberg, Glickman, Summers, Mukasey, Reich, Rubin), and it should not be difficult to go through lists of presidential cabinet members and finding sources for those who were practicing Jews at some time in their lives. What do you all think? AuH2ORepublican (talk) 23:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@AuH2ORepublican: I don't think I agree. I think a "politician" is a elected official. People who are hired or appointed to positions are civil servants. Jayjg (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's article titled "Politician" states that "A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking office in government. Politicians propose, support and create laws or policies that govern the land and, by extension, its people. Broadly speaking, a "politician" can be anyone who seeks to achieve political power in any bureaucratic institution." I think that this definition covers everyone who has served in a high office within the Executive Branch of the federal government (which, of course, is one of our two political branches), in contradistinction to persons who only served in the Judicial Branch (which is not a political branch). Moreover, I believe that common usage of "politician" would include cabinet officers--no one claims that Elaine Chao or Mickey Kantor are not politicians just because they've never run for office. And, of course, many cabinet members are people who have run for office before (among Jews, Gluckman and Ribicoff come to mind), or who use their cabinet post as a springboard for later political runs (such as Oscar Straus or Robert Reich). So I think that federal cabinet officers are different from judges and should be included in the article. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 16:13, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other high ranking politician positions appropriate to include[edit]

Would Ambassadors, US Attorneys, and Postmasters General (which is now independent, but was once a cabinet position) be appropriate to include?

For the Municipal section, what limits what can be included. Does a city need to be top 100 in population at the time of a person's service to qualify, top 100 now, or some other number? Should city council-members or citywide positions (I can think of a few NYC Comptrollers, for example) be included.

Similarly, should politicians active in County level politics be included? Someone elected countywide in Queens has more constituents than 10 states. What limits for counties should be involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agpuh (talk • contribs) 06:44, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassadors, US Attorneys, and Postmasters General are certainly not politicians. Top 100 seems overly broad; I would suggest top 50. I really don't think people care who was involved in county politics. Jayjg (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the reason to not include significant counties (my standard for significant is that it has a larger population than Wyoming) is that at that level of granularity people lose interest, why include state legislators (that aren't in leadership)? That section seems largely impossible to research, complete, and attempting to do so would only bloat the page even if simply listed in bullet point format. And are people (more) interested in that position?Agpuh (talk) 02:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would include Postmaster Generals from the time period in which they were cabinet officers, but not since then. Setting aside the issue of whether Executive Branch officers below cabinet level are "politicians," I don't think that they are notable enough for inclusion in the article. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My reason to ask was that going through the Jewish American politician category, people whose only experience in politics was being ambassadors showed up repeatedly. Would a List of Jewish American ambassadors/diplomats warrant it's own page? It certainly wouldn't be lacking in content.Agpuh (talk) 02:07, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elected Jurist[edit]

In several states, Supreme Court justices are elected officials, sometimes running in partisan races. Would they belong on this page or List of Jewish American jurists?Agpuh (talk) 02:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether elected or appointed, a jurist is a jurist, and thus should be included in the jurist article. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 03:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, reliable sources do not say that Alexander Hamilton was Jewish[edit]

This well-souced paragraph from Alexander Hamilton's Wikipedia article puts the kibbosh on the notion that reliable sources have declared that lifelong Christian Alexander Hamilton was born a Jew or raised Jewish:

"Based on the phonetic similarity of "Lavien" to a common Jewish surname, it has often been suggested that the first husband of Hamilton's mother, Rachel Faucette, a German or Dane named Johann Michael Lavien,[12] may have been Jewish or of Jewish descent.[231] On this foundation, historian Andrew Porwancher, a self-acknowledged "lone voice" whose "findings clash with much of the received wisdom on Hamilton", has promoted a theory that Hamilton himself was Jewish.[232] Porwancher argues that Hamilton's mother (French Huguenot on her father's side[233]) must have converted to Judaism before marrying Lavien, and that even after her separation and bitter divorce from Lavien, she would still have raised her children by James Hamilton as Jews.[232][234]"AuH2ORepublican (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton's mother must have converted to Judaism because there was no civil marriage between Jews and Christians in Denmark. Hamilton's mother was Jewish and had Hamilton with a non-Jew, but Alexander Hamilton would still be seen as Jewish. That's why Alexander attended a Jewish school growing up and was not baptized. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, you are dabbling in conspiracy theories, and have no evidence for any of your claims. Historians have gone through Alexander Hamilton's life with a fine-toothed comb--I recommend that you read Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton, and invite you to go through the book's extensive bibliography to see how he left no stone unturned--and the narrative that you just mentioned has been dismissed as rank speculation that is wholly unsupported by the facts. To answer your two suppositions that you present as evidence of Hamilton's Judaism, the reason why the Church of England would not baptize Hamilton and why he was denied admission at a Church of England school was not because he was Jewish (which he wasn't), but because he was illegitimate (which he was).
And by the way, when the well-sourced Wikipedia article on Akexander Hamilton is presented to you as a refutation of the conspiracy theory that you insist on peddling, it is in bad form for you to go out and massacre said article by deleting all sourced references to your source being a kook whose opinions are not accepted by serious scholars abd to inject your biased opinions (including that Jews aren't white) into the article. I recomnend that yo take a deep breath and step back from the keyboard, because when editors start acting the way that you have during the past couple of days it rarely ends up well for them. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 04:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SAYWHERE[edit]

Pennsylvania2 has added two names to this list, and reverted them back in when removed. The sources for the claim appear to be copied from other Wikipedia articles, and are dead links. Per WP:SAYWHERE, has Pennsylvania2 actually read these sources to confirm what they say? If so, could Pennsylvania2 quote the relevant statements from those sources, so we can include them in the citations? Note, as both of these people are living, per WP:BLPREMOVE the information should actually be immediately removed, but I'm giving Pennsylvania2 some time. Jayjg (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your edit, so I could get the relevant people back in the box. I then added working links. See "Both Gary Cohn and Marc Cuban are Jewish." and "Jason Greenblatt, the real estate transactions lawyer and son of Hungarian-Jewish immigrants." Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pennsylvania2, it's hard to tell what you're doing or why, because you've apparently never used an edit summary for your edits. Please review and follow Wikipedia:FIES. Also, if you have found the relevant quotations, please include them in the citation. Jayjg (talk) 18:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. Will add additional information in the edit summary from now on.Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Jayjg (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spitzer and Schneiderman[edit]

The dates concerning Eliot Spitzer as New York Attorney General are incorrect. Spitzer was AG before he was Governor, but the dates given are wrong, and conflict with the term in office of his successor as AG, Schneiderman.

G. Oliver Koppell[edit]

The reference to "Oliver Koppell" does not list his initial initial. He is accurately known as "G. Oliver Koppell."

Oscar Leeser[edit]

I came to this because the article I previously created on El Paso, Texas Mayor Oscar Leeser was updated by another user to reflect that he is Jewish, but I'm not 100% sure if he meets the inclusion criteria for this list, and I would have bungled the Wiki-table formatting even if I added him to this List. Any assistance from my fellow Wikipedians in verifying the accuracy of that information and updating this list and the article on Oscar Leeser accordingly would be most appreciated. TommyBoy (talk) 21:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on my previous comments, I have added Oscar Leeser to this List after References were added to the Wikipedia article on him to reflect that he is Jewish, but I added him to the former mayors section due to his previous non-consecutive term from 2013 to 2017 since that would not disrupt Wiki-table formatting. Any further assistance from my fellow Wikipedians in updating this List would be most appreciated.--TommyBoy (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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