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Theologians[edit]

I wanted to add a bio for David Berger, a theologian. He didn't seem to fit any existing category so have suggested that we open the category on clergy and religious to include theologians - assuming no-one has any problems with this? Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slugger O'Toole I absolutely detest your editing style. In all my time I have never come across someone so aggressive and bullying and single-minded. You pushed me away from editing on wikipedia and even now you cannot help but make some change - any change - to any edit I make just to prove some petty point. You check each edit I make and you make changes to each edit I make - no matter if it's an article you have not previously visited. With NO justification you removed the word "subsequently". I can see no reason why this word cannot be used other than you displaying your personal preferences? You do not OWN wikipedia. These articles are not YOUR articles. To edit on wikipedia you have to display qualities of cooperation, engagement and collaboration. Your last edit showed (one again) that these are qualities that you do not routinely exhibit. Contaldo80 (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry you feel this way. It certainly wasn't my intent. I made three minor edits. First was to add a comma to maintain consistency per MOS:SERIAL. The second was to remove a erroneous space between a period and a citation. The third was to remove the word "subsequently" because nothing was said about what happened prior to the removal. If it said "he came out as gay and then subsequently was removed," it would be a different situation and I wouldn't have touched it. It was, I though, a minor grammatical fix. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 21:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed David Berger from the writers section since he's been included in clergy/theologians. —C.Fred (talk) 21:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Popes?[edit]

Pope Benedict IX, Pope Paul II, Pope Sixtus IV, Pope Leo X, Pope Julius II and Pope Julius III presumably merit inclusion in this article, at least as alleged homosexuals. Maskettaman (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bishop Moore[edit]

Emerson John Moore is perhaps the only known bishop in the English-speaking world known to have died of AIDS, but a certain editor is blocking the info being added to the article. Feel free to discuss here. natemup (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Having AIDS does not make one homosexual. Eccekevin (talk) 21:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No one argued that. natemup (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be your argument above. So now provide a source that has him identifying as LGBT, or provide a show a strong academic consensus that he was LGBT instead of basing this only on his AIDS. Eccekevin (talk) 03:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're being unreasonable Eccekevin. I recognise that for some Catholics it can be uncomfortable to deal with the fact that many many Catholic priests and prelates are homosexual. The source provided for Moore talks about his death from AIDS in an article solely dealing with homosexual clergy. Unless you are implying that he caught HIV from a blood transfusion? This is possible , although you'd have to provide a source to back up the claim. Otherwise the source provided is pretty unambiguous. Contaldo80 (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contaldo80, As you yourself say, it is unknown how he came to contract the virus. The cited article does not say. The article is, in fact, ambiguous. It is not Eccekevin that needs to provide a source. It is those that wish to include this information. I am for this reason reverting. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Executions for sodomy, etc.[edit]

@Eccekevin: It's not really reasonable to make edits like this one, which remove someone convicted of sodomy with men from a list of LGBT people because, what, he may have been falsely convicted? (The Barberini citation may not be valid - I couldn't find it in GBooks - but it appears to be common scholarly knowledge that Barberini was gay or bisexual, eg. [1].) Scholarly sources noting the historical facts of these people's same-sex relationships are literally the best possible sources we could have. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A question[edit]

Can only people who died Catholic/are alive but haven't turned atheist, be included, or also people who were known as LGBT Catholics for some time but later became non-believers? By analogy, we have Milo here, who is (still) a Catholic, but (no longer) gay.--Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure the analogy is exactly apt since being ex-gay is not real, but I would say that it's reasonable to include people who were notable at a time when they were both, even if they converted to something else. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Mary Daly might be one of such cases.Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 15:08, 8 October 2021 (UTC)~~ sock Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Miacek[reply]

I don't know if being "ex-gay" is unreal. I guess a bisexual person who settles permanently on the hetero side of the fence could be "ex-gay." Does it matter? Pascalulu88 (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]