Talk:List of Major League Baseball longest winning streaks

minimum

Well since you are going to go that route then you just might as well take it here. Lets take a vote on what it should be if it should be top 30 or 15 games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.136.213.240 (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Im gonna have to agree that it stays at top 30. Went 3 years and nobody cared to fix it or change it so why bother now? Dw122339 (talk) 21:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dw122339: I didn't notice the omission until now, obviously not what the original author intended. Cards84664 (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@Cards84664: So why not leave it as is, as top 30, unless someone else beside YOU that thinks that it should be your way no one was complaining so noone im assuming at a problem with it. Besides if the author wants it back ask them their opinion if they say yay or nay on top 30 then who cares besides dont you think that they would have changed it back if they didnt like the change? no offence just seems like no one cares but you if it was left on top 30 besides longest losing streak is still set at top ? and not minimum of whatever. Dw122339 (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Modern Era

I strongly suggest making a table that includes just the modern era (1901-present), in fact I would make that the most prominent table here. All those 1800's teams muddy the waters. They can be included in their own table. With Cleveland's current streak (at 20 at the moment) garnering interest, I think it's an important change. I don't have a firm enough grasp on Wikipedia guidelines to do it myself.172.87.32.142 (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

If we do enforce that, I would recommend 1903, the year the nl and al merged. Cards84664 (talk) 16:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this as well. The title of this article specifically refers to Major League Baseball, which was officially founded as an entity in 1903. I am okay with 1901 though, since many historians use that as the start date of the modern era. This should be the first table. Subsequent tables could have streaks from the National League (1876-1900) and other 19th century leagues. Nkswiki (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nkswiki: Note that while that 1901 was in fact the start of the al, this page is purely statistical, i.e. nl teams did not affect al streaks and vice versa until 1903. Also note the lack of a world series in the first two years. Cards84664 (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

No, major league baseball began long before the American League was formed or the NL and AL joined, and was firmly established by the late 1800s. Records before 1903 are counted as records, although often qualified when mentioned. The table is fine as is. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Major League Baseball is a proper noun and was founded in 1903. If the title was List of longest winning streaks in professional baseball, then it would be okay to include these 19th century records. If the list is going to include all of professional baseball, then the 84-game winning streak of the 1869-70 Cincinnati Red Stockings should be the record.Nkswiki (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Seriously? An 84 game winning streak? Cool. As for Major League records, I've only looked up one just now, List of Major League Baseball career wins leaders, and an obscure 19th century (and early 20th century) pitcher, Denton True Young, seems to be topping the list. Major League baseball commonly means the big leagues, and the National League existed long before 1903. 84 games? Do you have a link, that's one I want to read about, thanks. (Edit:Yes, just read the team's page, they had a perfect season! They were also the first professional players and seemed to be barnstorming. The National League was founded in 1876, so records from there on in probably are considered 'Major League' records by sources, etc.) Randy Kryn (talk) 21:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I added the Red Stockings link and win-streak descriptor to See also, thanks. That's really an interesting story and could easily be made into a good film. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Counting ties

I'm not a baseball statistician, so I don't know the "normal" way for counting ties in the old games when ties were allowed. However, this article is titled "List of Major League Baseball longest winning streaks", not "List of Major League Baseball longest streaks without losing". Ties have never been counted as wins, so I don't know it is correct to count ties in the middle of a streak as a "winning" streak, because by definition a tie is neither winning nor losing. I'm sure if someone bothered to get into the modern era of baseball, and look at extra inning games that resulted in a loss breaking a winning streak, they would find other streaks that would be in this list if ties still occurred. --Dan East (talk) 00:59, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

The ties, which don't count in the streaks, are pointed out in the lead. So if the Indians win 22 in a row they will be the first team to do so (and that should be in the lead if it occurs). Only the Cubs and Indians have literally won 21 in a row, without the ties. Major league baseball and other sources count the streaks with the tie, given the rules and playing conditions (no lighted stadiums) at the time. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dan East:

The way baseball handled ties changed in the 1950's. The "modern era of baseball" started in 1900 and really the National League we have today started in 1876.

(There is a great article about baseball ties at http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/2015/12/28/tie-games-in-baseball/ )

There used to be frequent ties when games had to be called for darkness (no lights), rain, or excessive duration (affecting planned travel). Games that ended in ties are essentially non-games for the purpose of a teams record. Unlike football or hockey there is no tie portion of the win loss record. Its as if the tie didn't happen from a win-loss record point of view. yet the individual player stats (hits, RBIs, etc.) do count. So baseball is pretty mixed about whether the tie counts as a game. After the 1950's there was lighting and faster transportation options and the rules were changed to allow for a game to be suspended and continued. I think we simply have to live with streaks with ties and annotate them as has been done. It doesn't make sense to me to do yet another table of before and after 1950's. Cleanly annotating the table allows people to decide for themselves whether to consider a streak with an intervening tie as a win streak. I do think we should move the carat ^ symbol from the team name column to the Wins column. (oh looks like someone read my idea and just did it). Also some of the streaks with ties (1880 White Stockings and 1891 Boston Beaneaters) had the tie after the first win and then the remaining wins consecutive and would qualify for consecutive wins streaks. That could be worth noting so that people do not dismiss their streaks if they are dismissing other streaks with ties. Lschlenger (talk) 14:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

MLB is the authority on this matter, and officially, ties are not considered to end a winning (or losing) streak like they are in other sports. see this MLB website with each team's longest WINNING streak, it has the Giants listed at 26 (rather than 14). I do think it may be useful to note streaks with ties with in the table (as is already done), but it is completely unnecessary to point this out in the lead since it goes against MLB's official stance on ties. Frank Anchor^Talk 12:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Home and away win streaks

Bob, a friend of mine, pointed out that the 2017 Indians had won 12, and now 13, straight games on the road (he heard it was a club record). Suggesting that home and away win streak leaders be made into a chart, maybe the top five of each. I haven't tried to look up the records, but we don't have it, so probably a good idea to add it. Thoughts or edits to build the thing appreciated, as well as anyone who knows what the records are. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

1894 Baltimore Orioles

The Orioles won eighteen straight from 8/24/1894 through the first game of a doubleheader on 9/16/1894. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.248.164 (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

For support, see baseball-reference.com. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Since there appears to be no objection, I have added this to the article. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 19:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)