Talk:List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series/Archive 2

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"Marvel's"

Any reason that this has been put in front of every instance of every title? It's completely superfluous, and doesn't match the article titles chosen by WP:COMMONNAME. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

It is the actual name of the series, so we use it for introductions to the series, and then we use the common name from then on. This is the same as The Avengers, which is introduced as Marvel's The Avengers. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:43, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

If it was just first-mention only, then I can see your point, but it is used in other places as well. It's especially superfluous in the tables... --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I would argue still that it's a given. Why aren't the film's listed as "Marvel's Iron Man, Marvel's Iron Man 2,....Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy,...Marvel's Doctor Strange"? This makes no sense in continuity and I would argue that listing "Marvel's" on every series is excessive overkill, and superfluous. 50.232.205.246 (talk)

Those aren't the actual names of the films. The only film named as such as Marvel's The Avengers. All television series are named, officially, Marvel's [Show title]. Especially given Marvel Televisions work now on non-MCU properties, it also serves to indicate which are MCU-based and which are not. Overkill would be using "Marvel's" all the time. It is only used in the lead and the table for each series, and sourced in each section to indicate that is the official name. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Your response to the previous editor contradicts what you said about Runaways in the previous section.You just said "it also serves to indicate which are MCU-based and which are not". By that same token, wouldn't/shouldn't The Runaways TV series be listed in a section possibly titled In development? I think that with all the variety of shows which have been getting announced lately, a section titled In development could be helpful on this page.

--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 05:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2016

I would like to add the Inhumans TV show to the list

68.106.90.254 (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Please contribute to the discussion above. Alex|The|Whovian^? 02:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Runaways

So this was just announced for Hulu. I agree with TriiipleThreat in holding off including in the article because the releases do not explicitly state the series is set in the MCU. However, it most likely is (but would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH on our parts), because it is produced by ABC Signature Studios and is titled "Marvel's Runaways". For comparison, the Legion series is not titled as such. WP:NORUSH. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

It's not confirmation, but one thing to consider it will be given a character's mother is in the Doctor Strange prequel comic

"Nico’s mother, Tina Minoru, appeared in the Doctor Strange movie prequel comic, already providing the series with a tie to the larger Marvel cinematic universe."

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/08/17/marvel-and-hulu-announce-runaways-tv-series/ Arnabdas (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

It has been officially revealed today (August 17, 2016) that Hulu will be producing a series based on this comic. Thus, It should be added ASAP.

Pilot, not a series. And please sign your posts. Alex|The|Whovian^? 07:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The lack of a reliable source placing the show in the MCU prevents it from appearing on this page. It has already been added to the Marvel Television page. - DinoSlider (talk) 14:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

References

So the writer for the Iron Fist series has confirmed via her Twitter account that she has signed on for the "Marvel's Runaways" she describes it while also listing "Marvel's Iron Fist" in the same post. There have been multiple announcements lately that the VP of Marvel Television has made (Jeph Loeb). Isn't those shows' announcements from him a given that they are a part of the MCU? 50.232.205.246 (talk)

First of all, the Hulu order was for a pilot and some additional scripts. As such, it has not been picked up as a series. This fact alone is enough to keep it commented out. Second, Jeph Loeb also makes announcements for the X-Men series which are not part of the MCU, but he is listed as a producer. As VP of Marvel Television, his involvement has no bearing on the inclusion in the MCU. - DinoSlider (talk) 15:49, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Having "Marvel's" in the title is a good indication it may be in the MCU, but that has yet to be explicitly stated. As such, including it here would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. A draft for the article is currently being crafted at Draft:Runaways (TV series). But as Dino said too, it is currently only a pilot order, plus some scripts, which means it would not be on the article anyways if it was known for sure it was in the MCU. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

There are other reasons to keep it out for now, but its current pilot-only status is definitely not a reason to keep it out when both Most Wanted and Damage Control are both featured on this page (as they should be). -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

That is actually the main reason. As noted elsewhere on this talk, Most Wanted and Damage Control are different situations. First, Most Wanted was only ever a pilot that was not picked up, so that is by itself at the bottom of the article. (And previously to its decision, it was only mentioned in the "Potential projects" section). Second, Damage Control (as far as we still know), received a PUT pilot order, which by definition guarantees it will air at least that, else the studio suffers a severe financial penalty. Runaways is a pilot order, which does not guarantee anything will see the light of day to the general audience. Here are options that would get Runaways into the article, once it is confirmed as an MCU property: 1) It still only has pilot order; this will put it in the "Potential projects" section. 2) It gets a series order; this will put it in a newly created "Hulu" section 3) The pilot is not picked up by Hulu; it will join Most Wanted in its area of the article. That is how all potential series are, and have been, handled. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Pilot only status is not reason to keep it out of the article (once MCU confirmed, of course). -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

But it is enough to keep it out of the section that the IP uncommented. - DinoSlider (talk) 23:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the IP comment referencing any particular or individual section of this article.OK, I see you comment was in response to a particular edit, not the general discussion, which was not apparent to someone coming to the talk page on their own. -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 23:12, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Dino was referring to this edit, which, presumably made IP 50.232.. start their comment above, which resulted in this thread. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey everyone, I was re-reading over IMAX's announcement of their co-production with ABC/Marvel on The Inhumans on their Press section of their webpage and came across something interesting that I again believe indicates that Runaways is indeed intended to be a part of the larger MCU. Not withstanding the fact that the property along with Luke Cage, Nick Fury, Ghost Rider, Blade, and others have long-since been in the works at Marvel Studios to be integrated into the shared universe (all of which have now) -- IMAX lists the upcoming Marvel Television projects upcoming. Interestingly enough and noteworthily so - as far as the live-action TV shows go, they list the series as Marvel's Runaways, along with other MCU TV series. In contrast they list other continuity projects simply by their title without the "Marvel's" tagging pre-title. This can be viewed here. Isn't this added evidence that the series should be listed on this page, unless otherwise stated in later press-releases? --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 07:17, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

This is what makes us confident that the show (and others) will be set in the MCU. However, it doesn't actually say that the show is set in the MCU, which is what we need for Wikipedia. So this tells us that a source for it being in the MCU will likely appear at some point, but it is not the source itself. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:23, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Ah, so we're waiting for Jeph Loeb or someone of the like to come out and say that the show is a part of the shared universe. That makes sense. It will happen at one point or another, given they're only in the writing stages of development at this time.

--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 07:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

What about here when it says 'Marvel universe' in the announcement? Or here where Movie Pilot discussed the introduction of teen-age superheroes in the MCU (Spider-Man, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways, New Warriors, and potentially Ms. Marvel)? These are some of the varying examples online of the evidences that these shows are all in the same continuity. I understand the waiting for Jeph Loeb if these don't suffice. Just defining the fact that the "Marvel's" intro-pre-title-tag specifies that TV series are a part of the MCU might be helpful. --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 08:05, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

The Inhumans

This section was added earlier today and has been removed. With the announcement officiallly coming from Marvel.com and ABC Studios, this series needs to be added to the current slate of TV series-es. The show even has a release date of 2017 seen here. --DisneyMetalhead (talk) 05:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

But the announcement does not state it is in the MCU. We need to have that sourced to add, otherwise it is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. While it is very, very likely to be, we are in no rush. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:45, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: One thing I have been thinking about is what Ben Sherwood says about the series here. He says that they have been working very carefully with Marvel Studios to make sure that "content-wise we are only enhancing the Marvel universe". I read that, and I don't think it is SYNTH to say this, as them working closely with Marvel Studios to make sure the content of the series enhances Marvel Studios' "Marvel universe". In other words, they are being careful to make sure the series is a positive part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Having read that, I would be happy to add the series here with his quote "content-wise...", and having a better source tag if you or others want something a bit more concrete. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

With that source, it's time to include it The Inhumans in this article.OscarFercho (talk) 02:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I think that's sufficient. Will add in. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:46, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Agree OscarFercho (talk) 14:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

No need for further comments, it's already done. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Inhumans release

@Favre1fan93: I was iffy about including the theatrical release here as well, especially since our wording in the table is "First aired", to which this initial release doesn't really apply. Perhaps we should just keep the table for the ABC airing, like how we don't mention any of the special season premiere events for any shows (AoS and the Netflix shows have all had them). - adamstom97 (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah those were my thoughts. But I tried what I did just to see. I think we should leave it as the ABC air date too. I can make the adjustment back. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016

There is no information about HULU's Runaways that Marvel is creating. 69.241.93.245 (talk) 22:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

We're awaiting official confirmation that it is set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Reach Out to the Truth 22:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)