Talk:List of Medal of Honor recipients in non-combat incidents

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Notes added.[edit]

Searched internet and posted notes to complete data table, beginning with Alphonse Girandi and ending with George William Rud. Most additions were for courage shown coping with boiler explosions. An overwhelming majority of these naval peacetime medal of honor awards were for actions that would have earned a Navy and Marine Corps Medal in more recent times. The latter medal was instituted August 7,1942. ````George J. Dorner```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.161.17 (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List order[edit]

Is there any good reason why the list is ordered the way it is. I'd have thought a more natural and useful order would be either by surname, or date of action. -- JackofOz (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering the same thing myself. It seems to be in order by first name, but with posthumous recipients grouped at the end. It should probably be sorted by surname, that's how all the other lists of MOH recipients are sorted. I'll give re-ordering it a try. jwillbur 18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last peacetime award[edit]

The last award for valor not in combat and was to Francis P. Hammerberg a United States Navy diver who received the Medal of Honor posthumously for rescuing two fellow divers at Pearl Harbour in the then Territory of Hawaii. He lost his life during rescue operations on February 17, 1945. Anthony Staunton (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Samuel Adler[edit]

I have removed Samuel Adler from the article page because he is not a recipient of the Medal of Honor. Even though there are some non-military sources making this claim, they are in error. The truth is there is no official MOH source showing Adler as a recipient. This includes the comprehensive lists at the CMOH Society, the Department of Defense, the US Army Center of Military History and publications of the US Congress. The MOH is an extremely important and rare award. Each medal presented has been carefully recorded going all the way back to the Civil War. If Adler had received one, it would easily be found in these records. Also, the Army rules changed during WWII which restricted the award of the MOH exclusively to heroism in combat. It is simply not possible that Adler received this medal for founding the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra in 1952.

The most reliable resource should be Samuel Adler himself. There is no mention of the Medal of Honor on his personal copyrighted website. However, his biography page does say he was "awarded a special Army citation for distinguished service" for his work with the Seventh Army Symphony Orchestra . So, it appears he received a special citation, not the Medal of Honor. Roam41 (talk) 22:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. These sources seem to be more official, and the sources that say Medal of Honor appear to be referring to the special citation. Garuda28 (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
user:Thewolfchild, I saw earlier that you made a related edit and was wondering if you wanted to add your perspective to this discussion? Garuda28 (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The main discussion for this issue is now at Talk: Medal of Honor. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused by starting conversations on two different talk pages. Roam41 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent mass additions of wartime medals.[edit]

You gave no real reason whatsoever why. It was a conflict in which the U.S. was neutral therefore making it peacetime, It's just the same as USS Liberty and Dublin when attacked by a foreign power.)

No. “Peacetime” means a time of peace, at least in military terms. Pearl Harbor was not that. Qwirkle (talk) 05:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's definition pretty simplistic that only a child would understand. Japan and the United States were still officially at peace when Pearl Harbor happened, therefore making it happened under peacetime, just like the bombing of Dublin happened when Ireland and Germany were not at war. Using that logic, then the high crime rate in the U.S. from the 1970s to 1990s would be considered civil wars, yet they still happen in peacetime, since there were no war going on. So just end this charade and stop removing my work. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide citations that support your assertion that the medals of honour awarded for Pearl Harbor are considered by experts in the field to have been awarded for actions which took place during peacetime. Per WP:BRD, I have just reverted your additions as they are not supported by any such citations. Nick-D (talk) 05:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Noncombat actions during wartime?[edit]

It occurs to me that if we include Francis P. Hammerberg on this list (for a noncombat action during wartime), it would be consistent to include Patrick McGunigal and probably others. McGunigal received a Medal of Honor for a lifesaving action on 17 September 1917, thus a noncombat action during wartime. A factor against his inclusion is the mention in his citation that his ship, USS Huntington (ACR-5), was transiting a "war zone" on a trip from NYC to France at the time. RobDuch (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I already changed the title in order to avoid the confusion and problems in the future since non-combat incidents can be connected in time of war. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

STOP! This list is associated with the main Medal of Honor article which refers to peacetime awards. The chart 'Awards by conflict', included under the heading 'Recipients', has separated all awards into conflicts with other awards listed as peacetime. This has been the traditional categorization of awards since the Army and Navy MofH books after World War II, the Senate green books between 1963 and 1979 and the two volume Medal of Honor recipients 1863-1994 by Lang, Collins and White in 1995. The same split up was used the US Army Center for Military History which for many years listed the recipients of the 1979 Senate green book online. It is still the spilt up used by the Medal of Honor of the United States Historical Society, the Congressional Medal of Honor Society and the National Medal of Honor Museum. The only minor differences are some references separate Philippines Insurrection and Samoa awards. I am unaware of the any original research, other than this list, the includes world war naval awards in the line of the profession in a separate category of non combat incidents.

Despite the heading that it includes 204 awards, I only count 199. Three of the five missing are Gerber, Cavanaugh and Jardine.

The name 'peacetime awards' need to be restored. A footnote or a paragraph could note the 11 naval awards in the line of the profession during the world wars. Anthony Staunton (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This title has stood for two years. As a separate article, I don't think it creates an inherent conflict with the various other lists or tables of Medal of Honor recipients. The title change was due to an editor who attempted to define any incident not occurring during a declared war as "peacetime", including the Pearl Harbor attack among others. His efforts were dismissed as OR and he did the title change, which was agreeable to the others involved. I think this article is useful with its current title and content for users who wish to easily distinguish non-combat MoH awards for actions that coincidentally occurred during wartime. Pinging previously interested users: @XXzoonamiXX: @Nick-D: @Qwirkle: RobDuch (talk·contribs) 22:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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