Talk:List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel in 2014

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Tabular format[edit]

July is a mess, in every sense. I think we ought to make a table. We might want to make a table for each month. So far my stab at this looks like:

Date Rockets Fired Rockets Impacts in Israel Note
DATE FIRED IMPACT NOTE
DATE FIRED IMPACT NOTE
DATE FIRED IMPACT NOTE

Once Eid starts and I have some time, I will finish this and put it into the article. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think adding a table at the beginning of July is fine. But don't delete the valuable information of course. At the end of 2014, we can count the number of rockets, deaths, injured, costs, etc..--Neo139 (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Really? I was just about to start work on this, and I planned to replace the narratives with the table. But I suppose we can keep both. Oddly no IDF report on Twitter this morning. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

28 July?[edit]

No report from the IDF spokesman on Twitter for some reason. Anyone have figures for yesterday? I shall try to update this table for the last few days of July, then I shall give up. The numbers simply do not add up. There does not seem to be a definitive listing of these attack. Certainly this page does not meet that standard. Kind of a shame as it would be an interesting bit of data to have. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problems[edit]

I like the idea of this page, but I do not like the execution. First off course are the many English errors in the narrative sections. Time will fix that, when emotions have cooled. But more important is the lack of authoritative numbers. We say (and cite) that X numbers of rockets fell. Then we provide a narrative that accounts for some, but not all of those attacks, Surely there must be an official listing someplace. Frankly a single table or even a single chart might be better. Once we condense this information into a single graphic, we then have to consider if such a limited scope listing is even worth an article. Now we are busy, but soon enough the pace will slow (or the year will end). We can do something then, but we ought to think about our next steps now. Your thoughts? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 13:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • A major problem is the reliance on Israeli military sources. This pages sources the IDF blog and IDF twitter feed directly. Often with links that are already broken. All that stuff needs to go and relable, secondary sources need to come in. Plus this article should also start compiling Israeli attacks on Palestine. Now it's just a POV split giving undue weight to one side of the conflict.--Sloane (talk) 12:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It has some use, or a better article on this subject could have some use. But I see the IDF spokesman has gone silent on the subject. Someone (other than me) should go through all the Twitter feeds and add them up. As I mentioned, I will stay with tis to the 31st and then drop it. As it is, this poor thing is a cut-and-paste, incomplete and useless. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like the new Table[edit]

I appreciate the new table. I suppose the whole article can be replaced by sch a table. But it does lose the cites, which seem important when dealing with such an emotional subject.Paul, in Saudi (talk) 07:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Text or data not consistent with source citation[edit]

In every single month from January to June the numbers of rockets and mortars quoted in the summary table and/or the detailed text are different from those provided in the cited sources. Unless an explanation can be provided, I would consider it imperative to have the text of the article reflect the sources accurately. Erictheenquirer (talk) 16:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The table is clearly stated to reflect totals in the article not in any single cited source. If that isn't the case, please correct them. For some aspects, e.g. the rocket/mortar breakdown, the only source likely to produce valid information, the ISA, hasn't published anything since its June report, so the July figures are inaccurate. (Even when it finally publishes its July report it's only likely to have a total.) Other useful sources, such as the NYT blog, seem to have stopped since 1 Aug, so it's even hard to get a consistent source for the number of missiles. The other columns recently added to the July table are pie in the sky. Chris55 (talk) 11:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Text and table merged (July)[edit]

I merged the text and table from july and expanded the table. I completed the values and sources for 1 July. That's about 1% of the work, I know. But I had to start somewhere. Check out how the sources are grouped together so its easier to add the numbers from different articles (at least for the first couple of days, then we use NYT day by day death toll.).--Neo139 (talk) 06:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The table showing deaths and injuries from Israeli retaliation is pushing a POV[edit]

This article is called "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014" not "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel and retaliation against those rockets by Israel, 2014". Knightmare72589 (talk) 01:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some events are missing[edit]

It seems this entry also talks about attacks on the part of Israel, since it reports some actions (bombardments, operations) carried on by Israel (one is defined "in response") while remands to the entry of operation "Protective Edge". So the reader assumes it would report Israeli action as well, otherwise the picture and timeline of events provided would be partial and thus potentially misleading.

However, I can see some relevant Israeli actions are missing from the timeline. I detect at least two important violent operations: on June 11, Israel carried on a missile attack killing one senior member of Hamas (unarmed in that moment) as an extra-judicial execution and severely wounding three civilians; on June 13 Israel carried on a massive air strike on multiple target in 12 different locations against reportedly "concealed missile launchers", which not yet been operated by Hamas. Those actions are not reported by the timeline. Given the subject, it should be fixed. Aki 001 (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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