Talk:List of Soviet and Eastern Bloc defectors/Archive 1

Archive 1

Creation

This list was in Eastern Bloc emigration and defection. It was moved here to create a separate more easily accessible place for the list. It is in table format so that it can be sorted by year, birth country, etc.Mosedschurte (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Date and Wikifying

To Mannerheim: the new info was helpful to the article, but there is no more mass date linking per MOS:UNLINKDATES. That was an old policy that was ditched a while back. Also, re switching to "country", for many of the people, it's not clear the "country" they were living in at the time. But birth information exists for most of them (and for most, it will also be the country in which they were living).

I added back the new defection info but without the date wikifying and country switches.Mosedschurte (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

pre-1945 defectors

Why is it that a lot of people who lived in the west or were dead when the Eastern bloc was about to form keep on being added here, yet others like Wrangel, Semyonov, Nabokov are not? Why don't we add some defectors from pre-1945 East Germany, Hungary, Romania? Yaan (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

They hadn't been merged into the Eastern Bloc yet?

Also, I'd like to point out that deletions such as [1] are unacceptable. Such wikilawyering amounts to putting the WP:Dear Reader in front of the cart, which is a no go move even when the metaphors are all nice and straight. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 09:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe to place them in a separate list that could be easily created? The rationale is not quite clear.Biophys (talk) 13:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

My suggestion: make also a separate List of Soviet defectors to include people like Shevchenko, Alibek, Bazhanov, etc.Biophys (talk) 20:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The seperate section was created, and I agree with the two above. Looks like the return of a Disruptive Editor. Even worse, was the editor's reason that the mere inclusion of pre-1944 defections violating emigration restrictions was purpotedly "WP:Coatrack".Mosedschurte (talk) 11:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Mosedschurte

Do you consider Soviet Union a part of Eastern block? I mean inclusion of Soviet defectors here.Biophys (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The Soviet Union is inarguably not only a member of the Eastern Bloc, but its leader.Mosedschurte (talk) 01:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

But then why do not you show the whole Soviet Union on the map? (just kidding, everything is fine).Biophys (talk) 02:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Defection of Vasily Matusak

Is this article only for all notable defections by Eastern Bloc citizens, or only for defections by those who are notable in their own right? A defection missing is that of Vasily Matusak. He defected in 1984 while touring the North Korean side of the Joint Security Area near Panmunjom. His defection led to a lengthy firefight between U.S., South Korean, and North Korean forces and resulted in the death of a South Korean and American soldier protecting the defector. The incident is quite notable in multiple reliable sources, and is featured prominently during any tour of the Joint Security Area. Should his defection be added to this list?DCmacnut<> 21:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)