Talk:List of Spanish supercentenarians

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On 1 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Supercentenarians from Spain to List of Spanish supercentenarians. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Maria de la O Soria is dead. 74.226.167.138 (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous Spanish supercentenarians[edit]

Greetings,

There are more verified Spanish supercentenarians here, including two 114-year-old (anonymous) cases and 112-year-old Maria Esperanza Onieva:

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/drm/007/2-7.pdf

Ryoung122 22:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Misunderstanding of GRG Pending Cases[edit]

This case is NOT on the GRG pending list, it is in the GRG footnotes:

Josefa Llobet[4] F 25 February 1867 29 June 1979 112 years, 124 days Catalonia Catalonia

The ONLY cases that should be considered "pending" are those on the GRG Table EE "pending" list. Please remove.66.0.17.195 (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But why is she a 1-star pending case on this list? http://grg.org/Adams/L/Spain.HTM DHanson317 (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in List of Spanish supercentenarians[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Spanish supercentenarians's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "GRG Deaths in 2011":

From List of supercentenarians from Australia and Oceania: "GRG Deaths in 2011". grg.org.
From List of Belgian supercentenarians: GRG Deaths in 2011
From List of supercentenarians from the United States: "GRG Deaths in 2011". Gerontology Research Group.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What's the difference between a one date entry and two date entry[edit]

122 years, 194 days
116 years, 19 days

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Emigrants[edit]

The article currently has separate lists for Spanish residents and Spanish emigrants. However, the subject matter is "Spanish supercentenarians", so that the places they have moved during their life should not matter to their Spanish nationality and ranking as supercentenarians. Therefore I suggest merging the list of emigrants with the main list of oldest Spanish people ever. A similar reasoning was recently applied to the French and Italian lists. — JFG ^talk 18:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I support merging as above. I also think dropping the three names of people who were born and died in Puerto Rico is appropriate. They are listed as "Spanish emigrants" yet at least two were born and died on the same island. The ownership of the island changed, they did not emigrate anywhere. They are best handled on the US list. Legacypac (talk) 06:36, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

People born in Puerto Rico before the 1898 treaty were Spanish citizens; I see no reason to exclude them; it's OK if some of them are also listed in the United States. — JFG ^talk 16:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If we merge the lists keep them but not show them as emigrants because they are not emigrants. Legacypac (talk) 16:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merged — JFG ^talk 16:37, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Defining the 100 known oldest people[edit]

There is a clear consensus that this list should enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest Spanish people over 110 years old as reported by various reliable sources instead of assigning a ranking only to GRG-validated people and keeping the other entries unnumbered.
Cunard (talk) 09:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this list enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest Spanish people over 110 years old, as reported by various reliable sources (proposed change), or should it assign a ranking only to GRG-validated people, and keep other entries unnumbered (status quo)? — JFG ^talk 08:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale[edit]

This rationale is mirrored from the recent RfC about the oldest Italian people.

The oldest people from Spain are being tracked by various sources: news reports on birthdays and deaths, articles and studies about longevity, and various special interest groups and forums. A prominent tracker of supercentenarians worldwide has been the Gerontology Research Group (GRG), which maintains a network of correspondents in several countries dedicated to discovering and validating cases of extreme age. The present article, and various others, have been historically largely sourced to the GRG's public lists of supercentenarians by nation, and a usual practice has developed of assigning a ranking only to persons that have been validated by the GRG. However, since 2016, GRG correspondents in most countries have stopped documenting people under 112 years old, so that recent cases are mostly sourced from newspaper reports; this is apparent when sorting our list by death date. As a consequence, this list is giving undue prominence to cases that were documented earlier, while newer cases are unranked, including most of the living people on the list. On the other hand, we have ample and adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Spaniards, and few cases are actually disputed in this country. Accordingly, we should re-number the list to include all well-sourced cases, irrespective of whether they are listed by the GRG. The list would then be current and truly represent the "oldest known" Spanish people. The current list would not change, but the 15 unranked people would be numbered, reaching 79 currently-documented Spanish supercentenarians. In the future, new people who reach their 110th birthday would be included, and the list would be eventually trimmed at the top 100 oldest, just like the French, Italian, British, American and Japanese lists. The proposed change is also in line with general Wikipedia policy, whereby all relevant WP:RS should be considered in order to enhance our coverage of any particular topic area. — JFG ^talk 08:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Please express your preference with Support (for ranking all well-sourced people) or Oppose (for ranking people from GRG only) and a brief rationale . Longer comments should go to the #Discussion section below.

Support There is adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Spaniards and the GRG's sharply decreased number of validations makes this a necessary change. The page no longer functions using the GRG alone. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support There is no preference in WPP for a single source, and logically it would seem GRG has to rely on old records just like anyone else. If there is a controversy, report it in DUE weight, but do not limit the sources. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 04:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

More living Spaniards[edit]

Recently TFBCT1 added Saturnino de la Fuente and María Brañas Morera to the list. The cited article for Saturnino states that he is currently the 8th oldest living person in Spain, and the second man.[1] Our list has him as the 4th living and the oldest man. Do we have sources to document the living Spaniards that are apparently missing? There are also probably several living people younger than him that are not on the list. Any pointers welcome. — JFG ^talk 19:28, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have no pointers for your request other than the article for Saturnino de la Fuente was obviously referencing Jesús Mosteo who died 28 August 2019, de la Fuente is now the oldest male in Spain.TFBCT1 (talk) 00:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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"Brañas" vs. "Branyas"[edit]

Based on consensus spelled out here on the "List of the Oldest Living People" talk page, since all credible outside sources for Maria Branyas Morera cited use "Branyas" and not "Brañas," it should be spelled "Branyas" here too. I am mentioning this here, since there has been many reverts there on this issue, and I anticipate it potentially happening here too. Damiel (talk) 18:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New article for MBM[edit]

Does anyone object to creating an article for MBM now that Lucile Randon died?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]