Talk:List of Stargate Universe episodes

Episode List

Suggest unknown gate address for the Destiny be removed, doesn't seem relevant complete or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.68 (talk) 05:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. AstérixSméagol (talk) 16:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Most 'knowable' gate addresses are already on wikipedia. It's become a sort of formatting sub-standard for Stargate-related pages. You should probably just Get used to it. Ghostwo 23:55, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

SGU webisodes are availible at [1] and I was wondering if there should be a seperate episode list for them. --Kluckie (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You could follow the same style as List of Lost episodes or List of Eureka episodes, who put the web/mobisodes bloew the TV episode list itself. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 20:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, episode 11 will air on april 2010. Source: [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.30.164.29 (talk) 00:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

When should Season 2 be added to the list? It has been confirmed [3], and two episode titles have been announced. We also know episode 3 is written by Joe Mallozzi and episode 1 is directed by Andy Mikita. [4] [5] prattmic (talk) 17:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It looks like I missed that some more writers are known [6] prattmic (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

There are no set rules. New seasons are usually added to episode lists as soon as the first new ep titles/writers/directors are known (with reliable sources), so you can go ahead. – sgeureka ^t•c 17:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Darkness

Anyone going to get started on that or just wait and let the reviews roll in? --68.209.227.3 (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I say be bold and start one yourself.--DrWho42 (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

There are nine chevrons.

Conserning 85.220.21.2's edit: There are nine chevrons. Do we actually know this? After the five first chevrons I can't hear or see if there are more. Or if the dialing sequence actually dials all chevrons intended for that matter. I thought the ninth chevron was only for the code to get to the destiny, and the eight chevron is to dial a different galaxy. Perhaps the ninth chevron is also for dialing even further. But is there any confirmation on this either way? _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 23:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

In Air, I can't remember what part but they talk about finding a 9 chevron address in the ship's database and they were attempting to dial it to get back to Earth when Rush stopped them.--Kluckie (talk) 23:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

If I remember correct they said they found a 8 chevron address and thought the 9th would be some x-distants factor, they would try 36 times. But the next try to earth they seemed pretty sure what the address was, or at least they didn't mention they needed to try 36 times. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 14:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

While there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of it, I suspect the ninth chevron is for dialing moving stargates. They've said it often enough during Stargate Atlantis that you can't dial to or from a sufficiently fast enough moving gate, which seems to be be whats on Destiny. Until they stop that is. Itchy Flea (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

When they drop out of FTL they go pretty slow, and can only dial when not in FTL. Well, it's not that important. Maybe we'll see it one day. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 14:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I was wrong, you're right, I just watched Air Pt.2 and they did find an 8 chevron address and thought the 9th would be some x-distants factor, and they would try 36 times to find the point of origin.--Kluckie (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Every gate has 9 chevrons. The farther away you want to go, the more power it takes to get there. There are also more gates within that radius, meaning that you need a larger number of characters to encode it; hence, 8 and 9 chevron gates. Though the higher numbered addresses, such as the eights, are limited between one hub gate per galaxy, such as atlantis, earth, and orilla. So far, only 1 address is known to have 9 chevrons, and thats the destiny. But it takes so much power to reach it, there are very few places you could depart from that aren't local to the destiny, which could easily be on the other side of the Local Group.Ghostwo 06:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Some one rewrite a bit of this page please?

Im not very great at writing myself so il leave it to some one else, but there are some parts that need rewritten. The only one i can think of off the top of my head is the "Time" section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.134.3 (talk) 07:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Symbols? Garbage?

What are the symbols at the end of the summary of episode 7? I was going to just delete as the look like garbage, but I had second thoughts. I only just came across this article and maybe they're supposed to mean something. BashBrannigan (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

They're the glyphs that appear on Destiny's stargate. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Correction: these glyphs are part of gate address to Earth, and gate addresses are part of all stargate franchise summaries! Vilnisr (talk) 09:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. An explanation should be added to the article to explain what they are. In episode #1 the chevron symbols are explained, but for episode #7 they are just there without any explanation. Wikipedia articles are intended for the general public and not just experts in the relevant field. i can try to put an explanation myself, but it would be better for someone who understands the topic to do it. BashBrannigan (talk) 18:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Why

Resolved

 – Off-topic for this article and Wikipedia more generally; see Stargate Wiki instead.

Why glyphs on planets don't glow for outgoing wormhole? Vilnisr (talk) 09:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not the Stargate Wiki. Wikipedia article talk pages are for discussions of improvement to the article to which they pertain. The topic raised here has no relevant to the List of Stargate Universe episodes, or WP's articles on the "Stargate" franchise more generally. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Episode breakdown

I've noticed that the description of episode 10 has changed from what is used to be to what it is now. I believe it was better in it's previous form but am not good at re-writing episode descriptions. Also, is there any particular reason as to why there are no descriptions for several of the episodes? Yet there is a description for episode 14 which does ruin the ending of episode 10. Itchy Flea (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There are no descriptions on some of the episodes, because we couldn't find any yet. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 11:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

???

How to create a link to tab in main page "{{:Stargate Universe (season 1)}}"? Vilnisr (talk) 08:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It really is far too early to consider splitting the article at this point, especially as we're only half way through season 1 and there aren't even any episode summaries for some of the already aired episodes. Splitting one short article into two shorter ones just makes no sense. Most episode lists aren't split until there are at least two or three seasons. Some, like List of Scrubs episodes and List of MythBusters episodes aren't split until much later (9 seasons/116kB and 7 seasons/75kB respectively). WP:SIZERULE recommends splitting articles at around 60-100kB of readable prose. I find that splitting at 100kB total size is often more practical but, at only 35kB we're nowhere near that yet. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:50, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

ok, but what's wrong with my link, I use link "{{:Stargate SG-1 (season 1)}}" from SG-1 page and change to "{{:Stargate Universe (season 1)}}", but, if "{{:Stargate SG-1 (season 1)}}" copy just a table, then "{{:Stargate Universe (season 1)}}" copy whole page, whats wrong? I can't find any other difference! Vilnisr (talk) 09:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

You need "<onlyinclude/>" tags in Stargate Universe (season 1), as per Template:Episode list#Sublists.

Thanks :) Vilnisr (talk) 09:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Stargate Universe Pilot DVD Release

I've found a DVD release of SGU's Pilot episode, but only at Australian stores: [7], [8] and [9]. Is this release worth adding to the table? [SCΛRECROW]^{CrossCom 2.0} 10:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, not here, maybe in "Season 1" page, if there will be Australian SGU season volumes. In this page only Full seasons (and Series Collections and movies).Vilnisr (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

i put info about pilot dvd in (Season 1) page, but, for now, page is redirected Vilnisr (talk) 12:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

home releases

Please, put in main page only info about Full seasons, complete collections, movies and director's cut edition! Series pilot and volume releases put only in season pages! Vilnisr (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Air dates

The air dates for the rest of the epsiodes can now be added knowing tht the show starts again on April 2nd. So just add a week on for each episode. This can be changed if anything interupts it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makro (talk • contribs) 15:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

That's original research and is not permitted. Citations from reliable sources are required. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

It seems kind of stupid not to permit it when it is obvious and doesn't need a source. After all you put april 2nd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makro (talk • contribs) 19:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

But there is no guarantee that it will air 10 weeks consequtively. Maybe there is a one week break in the middle of it. Maybe two. We have no way of knowing until we find a source, that is just the way Wikipedia should work. We're more than happy to have the dates included, if you find a reliable source to back it up. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 20:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I found a source that states SGU will only be shown through april 2010. Two episodes per week. http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/stargate-universe-episode-11-space-to-air-in-april-2010/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makro (talk • contribs) 14:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The problem with the source is that it was posted just after the broadcast of "Justice"; it says it will return in April, not April 2; it also doesn't say it will air two episodes a week. Overall the source is vague. And although it cites Syfy as the source, I find it questionable at best. Could you find another source that seems more informative and up-to-date? -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You should really stop adding these unsourced airdates Makro, your most recent additions source doesn't provide the info you try to back up with them. There is no proof that the show will air two episodes a day, which I highly doubt and would really surprise me if it would be so. That source in specific doesn't even mention a single actual future airdate, by going of that source you could claim that all 10 episodes will air on April 1, 2010 as it lacks any specific information. Providing fake sources and marking these edits as minor is considered sneaky vandalism. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 15:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Season 2?

The April 2nd episode is begin advertised as a season premiere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.109.245 (talk) 02:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It's the mid season premier, I've also season it advertised as season 1.5, but still part of season 1, not 2. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 09:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The first episode of the second season is called "Intervention (Part 3)" but I don't see any Part 1 or 2 named Intervention, is that right ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.198.250 (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Part 1 and 2 is called "Incursion", but having a third part with a different title is not new in Stargate, like "Avalon" Parts 1 and 2, and then "Origin" as Part 3. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 18:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Separate page for season 1

According to the wikistargate project one of the aims wikipedia have for the Stargate franchise is for each season page to be modelled after Stargate SG-1 (season one)'s page. So would it be OK to create a page for this? I will probably do it this weekend but we need more information for the page e.g. awards etc. Or should I wait until all of Season 1 has been released to the general public. Mspence835 (talk) 18:12, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Page Stargate Universe (season 1) already exist, but it was redirected until it's time to split the seasons out Vilnisr (talk) 18:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

We've discussed this previously.[10] There's not really enough content to justify splitting the article out to a separate page at this point. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

...which means there have to be at least 2 full seasons plus announced 3rd season Vilnisr (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

That's fair enough I will leave it then until there is enough content and season 2 is complete. Mspence835 (talk) 13:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

First air date Incursion

Is it worth mentioning that Incursion Part II will air in Germany on June 9th, two days before it will air in the USA on June 11th? It will be shown in German on RTL2, both Part I and II in a row. Source: http://www.rtl2.de/46976.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annorax816 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

i also read something about an ukrainian screening on the same day. not sure if it's right though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.9.85.215 (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A couple episodes were actually aired in Ukraine weeks before US did. I read somewhere episode 17-20 aired way before the US and were uploaded online —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truelilaznkid (talk • contribs) 08:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

but the question is, does the screening of the DUBBED version count as "original airdate". Wouldn't this have to be the unaltered version, without dubbing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.9.26.13 (talk) 22:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Short Summaries

With episode 1x20 airing with a lot of content to cover, a lot of people have had a shot at writing the short summary, myself included. And whilst I agree (albeit only to an extent) that my version was somewhat teaser-ish, I believe others have been both too long for what you would call a "short" summary and secondly far to in-depth and ultimately containing for too many spoilers.

1x20 is too much of deviation from the norm of what we (myself and the other editors) have been use to. For the most part, the specifics of the plot ARE NOT written into the summaries. For example, neither summaries for Subversion or Incursion (Part 1), even remotely mention Rush is captured and forced to work for the alliance, despite it being a crucial part of the plot. For the summary Pain, no mention of the tick is made, only a vague reference to an "affliction". For Sabotage, no mention is made of Eli, Scott and Chloe's return nor is it mentioned that James was used to sabotage the Destiny. And those are just a few of the examples from the most recent episodes.

My point is, in the past we have written summaries to be somewhat vague and if you will teaser-ish and most important eliminate spoilers as much as possible. I do not think this should change, and 1x20 should be re-written again so that it does fall in line to what we (the major contributing editors) have established prior to the airing of 1x20.

Thoughts?Meowies (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Most of the summaries here are written like teasers, which they should not be. They are supposed to say what is in the episode including the ending: "…a tabular format that sections off each individual episode with its own brief plot section (approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines)" —WP:MOSTV. The specifics of the plot should definitely be written into the summaries and removing spoilers which are part of the plot violates WP:SPOILER. With a 127 word count for the summary of "Incursion (Part 2)" this is on the comfortable side of length. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 12:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding my recent edit to the episode summaries - if what you say is true, then all the summaries on the page should be rewritten to include all salient details relevant to the plot of the episode in question. Since plots in SGU span episodes, if not seasons, this will probably take more than 100-200 words. However, I don't mind working on this, since I love SGU. Also (though this is just my opinion), longer summaries should be written "well". An effective sentence list of factoids may describe the episode, but it does so poorly. Also (just for my own information for future edits), where is the definition for what an episode summary should be? I did a brief search but couldn't find it. Thanks. Pagemaster146 (talk) 18:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

It's true that the summaries here are seriously lacking, and were, besides a few, never updated after the episode aired and remained to be only known teaser info from sneak peaks and trailers. It is generally expected that the short summary serves as the plot section for that episode, the "short" does not refer to incomplete but to concise and should cover the entire episode in about 100–200 words (350 for complex story-lines). If individual episode articles are created, the plot section there can go into more detail, but that shouldn't go at the expense of the completeness of the episode list. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 18:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to find out if a new episode had aired, and before I could see the air date, I saw in the first couple words that my favorite character died. The summaries could be written without major spoilers, and cleanly be a synopsis that flows from one episode to the next. I would personally prefer they be teasers, to episode replacements. The most recent one, we need to know that whats-his-name escapes, and Rush goes after him. We need to know that there may be an attack on earth. We do not need a death count (as much as a shuttle count for Startrek Voyajer would have been fun... they had about six, and lost an average of one per episode).--RagnarH (talk) 05:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Region 4 DVDs

If you look up Ezy DVD you'll find Season 1 will be released 12 January 2011 in Australia (Region 4 http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/812138). I'll admit I don't know how to edit it with the current page format and am too tired to try it at the moment (as I'm likely to mess it up). -Angeloz 123.2.138.148 (talk) 02:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers

Any chance of either hiding, or not putting, spoilers into the episode descriptions? Just checked this page to see if the new episode was out yet, and the first few words basically ruined the plot of the episode for me. CSmoneybags (talk) 19:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:SPOILER. Personally, I avoid looking at the article for the day between when a new episode comes out and the following evening when I watch it on iTunes. Sorry that you were spoiled, but keeping people unspoiled is simply not Wikipedia's goal. There are other TV schedule sites which will help you keep up with viewing times without the spoiler issues. Jclemens (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The current item being complained about is: "Simeon makes his escape from Destiny after killing Ginn/Amanda Perry, sending Nicholas Rush on a vengeful mission. But Young and Greer attempt to retrieve Simeon unharmed as he may have information about a possible Alliance attack on Earth." If we are going to mention he killed those two, why not the others he killed? Or that he shot Greer, who is a more important character? My suggested replacement, is as follows: "Simeon has knowledge of a the Lucian Alliance's planned attack on Earth. He takes a hostage, and escapes. Scott and Greer attempt to retrieve Simeon unharmed, but Rush decides to execute him regardless of potential information." This does not start with a huge spoiler (sorry, but that one was as bad as starting a review of The Order of The Phoenix with saying Serious Black dies.) Does not mistake Young and Scoot. And accurately tells the end result to tie into future episodes. --RagnarH (talk) 05:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No. The entire premise of the episode is the aftermath of Ginn/Perry's death. We can't write a good plot summary without including the premise of the episode. This is an encyclopedia. There are plenty of websites on the Internet that are great for never showing spoilers until you specifically look forward. The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 is the classic example of this, and there was a stunningly well done Veronica Mars one, too. But those aren't Wikipedia. Jclemens (talk) 06:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not against there being spoilers, but stating that a character died in a first bit of it; then not naming the other characters who die... The plot to me seemed that Simeon had information on an attack on earth, two wanted to capture him for intel; while one wanted to kill him. This feeds into the plot-arch of the series. The death earliest in the episode, was a drama point. If that death is to be there to ruin it for people (which we are agreed it does), than the other deaths (and perhaps injuries?) should also be included the summery.RagnarH (talk) 07:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

If you're thinking presenting information "ruins" anything, you're simply not thinking about writing an encyclopedia. People who come to Wikipedia, out of ignorance or poor assumptions, who think that there won't be spoilers, have chosen to read an ever-developing encyclopedia, and have no one but themselves to blame if they think their enjoyment is harmed. For what it's worth, I see no problem putting the tidbit about Rush killing Simeon back in. Jclemens (talk) 07:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Cancelled?

Has this series been cancelled? It seems they inexplicably just stopped showing it on Syfy about two weeks ago. --75.108.199.245 (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Not yet, it's just in its midseason hiatus. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 16:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

"Not yet"... gotta love that optimism. Still, they do have all the pieces in place to get the team back to earth if anyone's actually been paying attention... Jclemens (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know when the next episode is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.4.248 (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was just wondering. They have a history of cancelling their best shows for no reason. They cancelled Caprica, and that was an excellent show. --75.108.199.245 (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

That's because Caprice had poor ratings. SGU is better, but only slightly. I hope this doesn't get cancelled. -- Matthew RD 22:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Unlucky you just said it and it is being cancelled after the end of this season because of ratings, but what can you expect when they move the show to another day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.42.20 (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

3 articles or one?

Do we really want three articles, with Season 1 & 2 articles having episode summaries? While this article is 60k with episode summaries now, I just don't see us needing this article, plus season 1 as a separate article, plus season 2 as a separate article... unless the entire point is to try and get a Good Topic out of it. I see that even shorter shows (e.g., Veronica Mars, which was the last show I worked on extensively) have been put into this format, but I don't see the pull for removing episode summaries from a unified article of such a short-lived series. Jclemens (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The procedure for spliiting episode lists is detailed at Template:Episode list#Sublists and Wikipedia:Splitting. That's the process that should be followed, although I not it hasn't been followed completely here. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Blu-Ray Region B release

The Blu-Ray Region B release date isn't fully accurate, we here in Australia are Region B for Blu-Ray and SG:U Season 1 was only just released on the 12th of January 2011.

Perhaps the Blu-Ray regions should be further separated to show release dates for certain countries (where the release date differs from other countries of that same region) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.98.10 (talk) 03:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

then we would have to separate dvd sections too. This table is for the first media releases for every region.Vilnisr ^{T | C} 08:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Full Season 2 DVD release?

Does somebody have knowledge if Season 2 of SGU will be available on DVD including ALL 20 episodes? It would be logical to release the DVD with the remaining episoded if they were already recored and just didn't get realeased through cancelation of the Syfy channel. I cant imagine the DVD would only consist of 11 episoded. Also in the article of Stargate Universe the box says "Complete Season 2 20 ". So it should be complete ;). Or am I wrong? N00bh4ck3r (talk)

As far as I know SyFy still plans to air the back 10 of S2. No reason they wouldn't be in a box set. Jclemens (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

MGM is the one who release dvd, not SyFy. Even if SyFy would not air last 10 episodes, they would be included in dvd anyway Vilnisr (talk) 08:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah thx! Very nice. N00bh4ck3r (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

More season-long story and character arcs?

The article begins with a bold statement that "it also has more season-long story and character arcs running through every episode than any other Stargate series", and sites the following article as support: http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/january-16-2009-link-issues-book-discussion-internet-news-and-the-mailbag/. A quick read through that article, and the only mention of this is part of answers to a mailbag:

BA writes: “How story-arc-based (if that’s a word) is SGU going to shape? Are you going with the old SG-1 way and having only the two- and three-parters tie into each other (with the rest being, although fun, fillers that contributed to some stories but could’ve been anywhere in the season), something along the lines of Heroes where every episode directly continues where the previous ep ended (which is very fun to see, imo), or something in between like SGA season 1 where the episodes were kinda stand-alone (except for the two/three-parters, ofc) but also contributed to the overall arc each episode?”

Answer: SGU will definitely be more of an arc-driven series. Although it will have its fair share of stand-alone and multi-parters, the show will have more season-long plot and character threads running through every episode.

I believe the answer does not represent fact, but rather the intent of the producer. I would expect a reference to a more in-depth analysis and comparison of the Stargate franchise to support such a bold statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.182.98 (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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