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William Manchester[edit]

Does anyone know the dates of William Manchester's affiliation with Wesleyan? - Jmabel | Talk 03:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Massive deletions restored[edit]

I just restored some massive anonymous deletions. It is possible that some of the deletions were fine; I don't have time to look at them one by one; and it is clear that someone was using an axe where a scalpel is called for. Basically, this removed everyone who doesn't already have an article, and removed most identifying information about those who remain. In short, it removed the two main things that are reasons why we have lists rather than just categories.

To give some indication of how arbitrary the removals were, among the people removed were:

  • Christopher Wink, founder of the Blue Man Group
  • Walter Wriston, former chairman of Citicorp (who has an article, it just wasn't linked)
  • Jay Hoggard, one of the most prominent living jazz vibraphonists, routinely mentioned in the Downbeat poll
  • Eric Asimov, New York Times restaurant columnist (Issac Asimov's nephew, if you were wondering)
  • Amy Bloom, a rather prominent author

All of these five certainly deserve articles (except maybe Wink should be a redirect to Blue Man Group. Lists like this are often incubators of articles; it's one of the things they are good for.

I'm not at all convinced that the long list of business people are all worthy of articles; there may be little interesting to say about the CEO of The Conference Board of New York beyond the fact that he is CEO of The Conference Board of New York; still I think that is a reasonably appropriate inclusion in an alumni list. I'd be willing to see a removal of those who aren't worth an article or a redirect if there is a consensus to do so but not on the unilateral undiscussed action of one anonymous editor. - Jmabel | Talk 07:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that anyone without an article should be deleted. This list is useless as it stands. I don't think that 'The Conference Board of new York' is anything meriting inclusion. I don't think most people know or care to know. This list should be short just a few dozen, anything more is ridiculous. ---being Isaac Asimov's nephew is NOT an accomplishment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.124.199 (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, didn't notice that 13-months-after-the fact reply until now. No, being Isaac Asimov's nephew is not an accomplishment. Have you bothered following the link to see that he's been a food and wine critic at the New York Times for the last 25 years? - Jmabel | Talk 05:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Bunker Allison[edit]

Is not a renowned photographer, nor inheritor of the Shaoling lineage, as far as I have been independantly able to verify.

Michael Goodman[edit]

Michael Goodman 2005, listed as a professional poker player. There is a professional poker player by this name, and he is judging by his face about the right age; does someone have a citation that he attended Wesleyan? - Jmabel | Talk 17:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Larry "Lightnin'" Dougherty[edit]

Does anyone have a citation for this nickname for Dougherty? - Jmabel | Talk 19:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul W. Florsheim[edit]

Paul Florsheim 1983 is indeed a professor of psychology at the University of Utah and has been a consultant to the government of Palau, but is there any citation for the claim that he is "the only psychologist registered to practice in the Republic of Palau"? - Jmabel | Talk 19:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removing non-notables[edit]

This list is totally out of control. I clean it up and some unknown IP keeps reverting. These non-notables need to go and stay gone. Note also that some of the blue links don't go to the right person. I haven't gotten to the point of deleting unreferenced material if the person looks notable yet but that is coming. Please do NOT reinsert unreferenced material that is removed. This is NOT an indiscriminate directory of alumni. Being nominated once for an award does not make someone notable, for instance, nor does writing a textbook. Every professor or lawyer or banker etc. does NOT belong on the list. It detracts from the truly important people. Drawn Some (talk) 03:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having researched and entered 85%-90% of the (blue) notables on this list and a good many of the (black and red) notables awaiting footnotes and articles, I thought the purpose of the "missing citations tag" was to supply inline citations, references, and articles were necessary. That Drawnsome would omit, for example, a renowned MD, Thomas Broker (reinserted); a Harvard law professor who, AMONG OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, has authored a leading tort law textbook now used at many of the nations leading law schools (reinserted and again deleted by Drawnsome); and an Oscar nominated documentary filmmaker who has accomplished more than merely being nominated for an Academy Award (reinserted and again removed by Drawnsome) strains credulity. As has been noted previously, black and red listings are the embryonic research that leads to blue listings. Every professor, lawyer, banker, etc, who attended Wesleyan is NOT on the list of notables and never would be. A nuanced, culling process guided by careful research has long been underway. However, following Drawnsome's lead--without respect to whether the black or red notables are deserving of articles, without conducting further research or ignoring research that has been done, and ignoring footnotes that have been provided--I have deleted all black and red persons in the categories: alumni arts and letters, academia, art, and activism. I would suggest that Drawnsome proceed with the wholesale deletion of black and red persons in the remaining categories: business, film, law, literature, music, news, politics, science, etc., and that s/he apply the same standards to peer institutions and all other colleges and universities or that s/he arrange to have others do so. This action will shorten the list as well as the need for research and will not involve a lot of thinking. Have fun. 69.121.23.234 (talk) 06:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finally you are starting to make some sense. I suggest as the next step to go through and delete anyone not in a category including the word "Weslyan". Drawn Some (talk) 10:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here, this would be a good "role model" List of Harvard University people. Notice that it is in a table and notice how concise the entries are. If someone is notable they have a main article and don't need to advertise themselves here with every book they wrote and how many languages it got translated into and how many awards they were nominated for. Drawn Some (talk) 10:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drawsome ignores the heart of my comment (not unexpected), and launches into a juvenile ad hominem attack--"starting to make some sense" (and what is some sense?)--and a diatribe (both of which I will ignore). Harvard? Before Drawsome embraces Harvard as a model (10x the size of Wes and ipso facto 10x or more the number of blue notables, many of which initially were black or red or had articles written), Drawsome should apply his or her "rules" to Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore--so called peer institutions. However, it appears, based solely on Drawsome's actions, that s/he intends to apply his/her "Rules" solely to Wesleyan (among liberal arts colleges or peer LACs). If no one is interested in what Drawsome is doing only to this list of notables, I will oblige him and purge the remainder of the black and red persons. Let illogic, bias, inconsistency, and the absence of further research reign. 69.121.23.234 (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point about Harvard, it has older and larger and has many more "notable" graduates yet the list of Wesleyan people is MUCH MUCH longer because it is indiscriminate and acting as a directory for everyone who went there. If Harvard is ten times bigger you would expect to find ten times more people on their list! Drawn Some (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With any respect that is due, no point has been missed. None was made. Drawsome never addressed the heart of my responses to his/her unilateral deletion of persons s/he defined as non notables. It appears clear at this point that s/he can make no material and relevant response. Furthermore, Wesleyan's list of notables has been stripped according to Drawsome's "rules." The list of notables at Wes was never longer than Harvard University's. This is sheer nonsense. Nor--as pointed out above--was (or is) the Wesleyan list a "directory for everyone who ever went there." In the end, Drawsome's "rules" omit National Academy of Science members, multiple Grammy and Tony Award winners, scientists who have made groundbreaking or seminal discoveries, presidents of universities, nationally prominent law professors, CEOs of prominent companies, a former head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and other notables in need of articles, not deletion. Drawsome also has removed notables in blue, for example, Ambrose Burfoot, Eric Mangini, and Jed Hoyer, among others (which is VANDALISM). Moreover, the Drawsome "rules" apparently have no application to Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore (and other LACs) (which are loaded with the kind of notables that Drawsome's "rules" prohibit). Why all the huffing and puffing Drawsome, you "got" what you wanted. You are now fulminating against past events, many of which never in fact existed. [Harvard's student body is about 6x larger than Wesleyan's, and Harvard currently has 4,670 blue notables compared to Wesleyan's 388; but none of this and nothing about Harvard is material to your unilateral deletion of notables here, as determined by the application of the Drawsome "rules" and Drawsome's indiscriminate deletions of notables in blue.] I shall not respond to more of your drivel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.23.234 (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please remail civil. I removed all the bolding and some of the full stops. There are duplicate listings, they need to be removed, we need to pick the most appropriate section for an individual and remove them from the other sections. Drawn Some (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism consists of Drawsome's removal of four-time Tony Award winning producer Jeffery Richards under the false pretext that an L.A. Times article (footnote) fails to mention Richards' relationship to Wesleyan when in fact the article references his graduation from Wesleyan. Vandalism also consists, for example, of Drawsome's removal of Richard Barth, former CEO of Ciba-Geigy, and of Tim Rodgers, president and CEO of TIVO and former chairman and CEO of Primedia, because "the link was incorrect/wrong." Barth and Rodgers (and Crispin and others like them) should have been left in black so that necessary research for footnotes and articles could have been undertaken.

Drawsome apparently is concerned primarily with removing obvious notables (solely from this article) and/or research undertaken to substantiate their positions--not with constructive contributions. I distinguish here between Drawsome's simple editing (replete with snide commentary, followed by pleas on this page for civility) and his vandalism. Drawsome has previously removed notables in blue as well. I will not reiterate paragraphs #2, #5, or #7 above or what has been stated elsewhere on this page regarding the removal of notables. Before removal of such persons in general or Richards, Barth, Rodgers, Crispin or notables in blue in particular, Drawsome should post his/her "thoughts" on this page for discussion and agreement prior to placing notables in the heap of distant editing pages where their names and research will be consigned to oblivion unless other contributors are ever vigilant and aware of Drawsome's machinations. In the absence of this, Drawsome should be prohibited from his/her brand of vandalism in this article at best or even editing this article if his/her conduct continues. Richards, Barth, Rodgers, Crispin and certain others similarly situated will be restored and should not be removed ny Drawsome.

As for Drawsome's new "band rule", it is odd to remove a famous band founded and comprised solely or primarily of Wesleyan graduates, such as The Highwaymen or MGMT. Whatever that discussion would have been, it is illogical to remove the band and all members thereof, particularly if the members (or any of them) are notables in blue. The removal of Ben Goldwasser and MGMT by Drawsome is such a case. Drawsome falsely claims that the Goldwasser link "is a fake", when the link is redirected to MGMT which in turn discusses Goldwasser explicitly in terms of his co-founding of the musical group (two members) and his contribution to its music. If this blue notability for Goldwasser is somehow faulty--which it is not--the solution is not Drawsome's removal of yet another notable in blue. More vandalism. 69.121.23.234 (talk) 04:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Wes alumnus, and I tend to agree that there are too many names here.
It's not particularly interesting that some prominent scholar once spent a year at Wesleyan if they didn't do much there, or there was no particular reason for their presence there to be somehow interesting (in the latter category, I'd put H. Bruce Franklin's 2 years there after being fired elsewhere for political reasons or Pamela Hansford Johnson (Lady Snow), who wrote a rather disparaging roman a clef about Wesleyan).
Similarly, in many cases the mere fact that someone is an alumnus is better communicated by a category. A shorter list, confined to a representative list of particularly prominent people (and a good reminder link to a more embracing category) would probably serve the reader better, as would a table format. I can't imagine anyone slogging through this the way it is now. At one point I thought otherwise, but this has gotten awfully big. - Jmabel | Talk 19:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest putting "Administration and faculty" (1, 1.1, 1.2) at the end of the list of notables and omitting from A&F all academics who had appointments in the Center for Advanced Studies (now the Center for the Humanities). These omitted scholars and artists could then be listed in the Wes article in the section entitled "Center for the Humanities" (8). Many of these notables are already listed there. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would further suggest putting notable faculty and administration in a separate article (3.5 pages). (The footnotes, required by many here as proof of notability for certain academics, businesspersons, and newsspeople, etc., are about 4 pages. I note that other LACS and universities which have scads of notables in black or red linked have no footnotes for these notables. I do not, however, recommend deletion of such footnotes in this article.) 69.121.18.196 (talk) 19:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Groups[edit]

Please don't add groups of people to the list, like bands or corporations. It should be for notable individuals only. Drawn Some (talk) 03:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the last paragraph of the preceding post for the specific application of Drawsome's new "band rule". Mr. Goldwassar and any others similarly situated will be restored. As for as I know, the reference to "corporations" is a red herring in that to my knowledge no corporations have been listed as individuals. 69.121.23.234 (talk) 05:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On my user talk page, Drawsome today has suggested that I review WP:OWN and WP:CIVIL, which apply to me without exception. I have posted my reply there and here: I do not own and have never thought I owned any article in wp; I am civil. I do know that you Drawsome should not vandalize any article. I have never asserted that every change Drawsome has ever made is vandalism--as you seem to imply--nor have I reverted most of your editing work. I have described specifically and objected to what you know to be vandalism as well as demonstrable bias. I suggest that you review the foregoing guidelines and those that apply to vandalism. 69.121.23.234 (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes[edit]

What is with all of these raw links as footnotes, especially raw links to Google Books? - Jmabel | Talk 07:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly citable source for a lot of these[edit]

About Wesleyan: Notable Alumni on the university's own site. Is there any objection to considering this a reliable source? If not, there are a lot of currently people in the list where this would cite for their association with Wesleyan and their year of graduation. Unfortunately, though, it seems to be focused entirely on living alumni. - Jmabel | Talk 05:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delisting in Wikipedia of Ret. Rear Admiral Dr. Richard W. Schneider as a notable[edit]

Admiral Schneider's article (he is also a college president and a scholar) should be restored immediately. He has been a notable for years and more than satisfies the criteria for notability. The clandestine deletion of his article should not be tolerated. As a result of this deletion, his name now appears in red in this list of notables. The next bootstrap argument appears to be for his removal from the article here. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 08:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Go somewhere else for your rant - Dr. Schneider's article was deleted because it was, 100%, plagiarism. It was a pure copylift from Norwich University's page about their president. It was not clandestine, it was fully in keeping with wikipedia policy, and if you want an article about Schneider to stay, then write it yourself, and cite it, and make sure it isn't a copyright violation.--Vidkun (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The logical and constructive response to your "suggestion" is that a "contributor" write an appropriate article. There are enough sources independent of Norwich University's page for this. I do not have the time nor the inclination to write such an article. Nor apparently do you. I shall not address your infantile preamble nor your sophomoric blithering and commands. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 20:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removal from Wikipedia of Article Concerning Walter Wriston[edit]

Given Walter Wriston's many historical and significant accomplishments (reflected in his being awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom), the article concerning him should be restored immediately. I can conceive of no basis (in logic, fact, or Wriston's notability) that would serve as a well founded reason for the removal of his article. Just as with Ret. Admiral Dr. Richard W, Schneider, the clandestine deletion of Wriston's article should not be tolerated. As a result of this deletion, his name now appears in red in this list of notables. The next bootstrap argument appears to be for his removal from the article here. Given that the deletion of the Wikipedia articles on Schneider and Wriston makes no sense, I wonder whether an editor or editors has determined to put in motion an improper stratagem for shortening the list of Wesleyan notables by first deleting Wikipedia articles on notables affiliated with this college. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On your talk page, you keep responding to warning messages with a claim that you aren't new to wikipedia. However, you can't seem to find an article on Wriston, which is quite obviously NOT a red link, and was never deleted. You also continue to make an accusation that Richard W. Schneider's article was clandestinely deleted, and for a nefarious purpose. It was not - it was deleted because it was a copyright violation, and a blatant one, of the Norwich University webpage about Dr. Schneider, and thus, a clear violation of wikipedia policy, which is, as someone who isn't new here, something of which you should be well aware. Additionally, you were told, on the talk page for the NU article, why Schneider's article was removed, before you came here and made your accusations. Just how much attention are you paying to what's going on?--Vidkun (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed your "comments" under the discussion of Dr. Schneider, above. I assume you are unaware that Mr. Wriston did appear in red link here and at this time is still red linked on Tufts' list of notables. As the edit history here reflects, I reentered Wriston after discovering his--for lack of a more precise description--unexplained "name change" and thus removed the red link. Chronologically, my first entry concerning Dr. Schneider was on this discussion page, not the opposite as you claim. As to the the 3 or 4 "warning messages" to which you refer, all of them were groundless except for your overbroad and overreaching claim as to Dr. Schneider. I hope that having vented your spleen, you can move on to your constructive work of which you (apparently) have done much. Your continuing to attempt to hector me will be of no consequence. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venting spleen? This, from someone who claimed that Schneider's article was "clandestinely" deleted, and that the deletions of Wriston (oh, wait, that article wasn't deleted, it was redirected to properly reflect his name) and Schneider were part of "an improper stratagem for shortening the list of Wesleyan notables". Dude, maybe you need to check your tin foil hat.--Vidkun (talk) 21:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "Venting Spleen." The text makes clear I never asserted that in fact, as you misrepresent, "Wriston...and Schneider were part of 'an improper stratagem for shortening the list of Wesleyan notables.'" Rather, I "wondered whether" that were the case. Surely, you know the difference between asserting a fact and speculating as to the what the facts may be upon further investigation. Have fun with your flame war. You made whatever point you had to make in your first entry. 69.121.18.196 (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. DrKiernan (talk) 19:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wesleyan University people → List of Wesleyan University people – Rationale: calls article by what it is. aligns article title with titles of similar lists at Category:Lists of people by university or college in the United States. (n.b. proposed title exists as a redirect to existing title; should be other way around.)--96.232.126.27 (talk) 18:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Not controversial. The proposed title is the appropriate way to name such articles. --BDD (talk) 20:30, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This makes sense. Hekerui (talk) 16:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Size split?[edit]

Split - Article is over 100 kB and should be split. Thoughts? Suggestions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 00:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you find all of the similar lists and do the same thing for each. Op47 (talk) 19:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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External links modified[edit]

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I have just modified 3 external links on List of Wesleyan University people. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

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