Talk:List of active Turkish Air Force aircraft

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AS-532, CN-235, F-16 and SF-260 were all license built by TAI in Turkey. For this reason, I have added the Turkish flag to the appropriate boxes on the table. Please do not undo this change without providing a substantial reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zartus (talk • contribs) 17:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

F-5 in inventory[edit]

F-5s are no more used for trainer/fighter role, all have been phased out except the aerobatic team. Here is the news(in Turkish) about the final flight of F-5 http://kokpit.aero/hava-kuvvetleri-f-5-savas-ucaklarini-hizmetten-cikardi therefore I remove F-5 from the list 176.33.39.78 (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

F-16 Inventory number[edit]

The Turkish Air Force command web states that Turkey has 196 F-16C and 44 F-16D, yet people insist here on their own number. http://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/EN/EnvanterdekiUcaklar.aspx?ID=7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.130.229 (talk) 11:31, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing Peace Eagle[edit]

Hello Wikipedia users, I wrote down that the Turkish Air Force has 4 Boeing 737 Peace Eagles in service, not 0. This is because, if one checks out TAI's site TAI peace eagle (the Turkish version) one can see that TAI has produced 3 aircraft and that its maintenance is being done accordingly. Please keep it 4 planes in service and do not change it without a good reason. Thank you.

Fah112778 (talk) 18:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AS-532, CN-235, F-16 and SF-260 were all license built by TAI in Turkey. For this reason, I have added the Turkish flags to the appropriate boxes on the table. Please do not undo this change without providing a substantial reason. If any editor felt the need to remove the Turkish flags from the table, I would advise him to take a look at the inventory and the flags displayed on the Dutch and Belgian Air Forces' pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zartus (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

T190 Helicopter and Drones[edit]

I have added the T190 helicopter properly and have added pictures to drones missing pictures and have merged the drone chart with the main chart since there was no separation for fixed rotor vehicles. Do not undo if; you were brought here by an editor detecting tool, if you do not know anything about the Turkish military or if you are here just to undo content.

It is unfair genuine content gets undone by people who know nothing about it. This page is lacking a lot of information due to its sources, so I plan to add missing viper aircraft as well.

Unless a good reason is presented I will undo any undo's to the edited content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Go2GamerGuys (talk • contribs) 19:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

--Edit

I did not realize the category I have been editing is for the Air Force. I will add such column to the proper sections seeing they are already added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Go2GamerGuys (talk • contribs) 19:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in List of active aircraft of the Turkish Air Force[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of active aircraft of the Turkish Air Force's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "World Air Forces 2019":

  • From List of aircraft of the Malaysian Armed Forces: "World Air Forces 2019". Flightglobal Insight. 2019. Archived from the original on 23 January 2019. Retrieved 2 March 2019. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  • From List of active Brazilian military aircraft: "World Air Forces 2019". Flightglobal Insight. 2019. Retrieved 4 June 2019.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:05, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

F-4 Terminator 2020[edit]

This edit, which changed the listed type for F-4E from fighter-bomber to Bomber caught my eye.Some googling which I did out of curiosity led me to this outside article and to the List of McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II variants article on Wikipedia. That WP article includes several paragraphs of information on F-4 Terminator 2020. All of that is presented as being related to the Turkish Air Force. Having stumbled across that information, I thought to mention it here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes[edit]

I don't understand why did you guys revert my work in mass. İt doesn't conflict with Wikipedia:WHENTABLE nor it has formatting issues both in pc and mobile. Oh also we can build consensus on MOS:FLAG since it doesn't really matter whether there are flags or not. Please don't throw away my work only for your liking! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.47.193.83 (talk) 06:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously you don't understand the guidelines. (flags are gratuitous art work & Photos defeat the purpose of the wikilinks) What right to have to make such mass changes w/o consensus. - Which appears you did not originally make, you just reverted the previous entries - FOX 52 (talk) 14:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As a decorated wikipedian, i do understand gudielines well enough. Firstly I dont have to establish a consensus on these edits since I own a legal copy of 'World Air Forces 2020'. My edits are facts on the reference. You can also check and challenge me if you also have a copy. Secondly, about the table, you can be a kind person and just remove the flags and pictures. That is actually called contribution. But instead you resort to reverting which is basically nothing but a click on your mouse. Cheers. kazekagetr 09:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Obligatory edit. As of 21/03/20, Fox52 is just basically making WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT revertions. First of all it is a 'list'. İt has to 'list' stuff. So we can't have an entry paragraph/lede. İf we were to add history of F16s into the lede, we might as well add F4s or UH1s also. General information about the air forces' planes and equipment has to go to its own article. That's why the list article is separate. You can observe in other air forces' list articles. Secondly, why do you even revert my edits. They are clean as you requested (w/o images and flags), they are direct and well referenced. Please let's just don't war on it, rather improve it. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.88.143.240 (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In case you missed it the first time, I have addressed the crammed content in tables mess. I’ll reiterate Avoid cramming too much detailed information into individual table entries; if appropriate, the reader should be able to click a Wikilink to read a full, detailed article corresponding to a concise table entry. Per WP:WHENTABLE. I have installed those wikilinks ie: the 737 AEW&C variant "E-7A" which leads right to Turkish content. Further Wikipedia is not a place to promote Turkish Aerospace Industries every achievement per: WP:PROMO - so entries such as "All modernized by TAI under ERCİYES program" provides no real educational value to the reader, especially when there is no wikilink to follow on. - some notable text can mention TAI's partnership in the A400M Atlas project. Lastly you should use an account instead of IP hopping, that boarders on Sock puppetry- FOX 52 (talk) 03:12, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well there is a table part called 'Notes' for every single column. That means we can add notes to every single one of them. Also before reverting en-masse you can just remove TAI parts per WP:PROMO. You have fingers that works right? Well i don't bother logging in to my account since WP is an open platform. I do not refer to warring or sockpuppeting. The term 'Modernization' actually provides educational value to the reader since most of the planes are actually older than most of the people visiting this website so i leave it to you to decide. So per your requst, i've greatly reduced notes. Oh and also. I dont understand the point of adding a paragraph into the article which starts with F-16's procurement. As I've said, we might as well add all of them. That's why we have the notes section. kazekagetr 07:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to open up a new section but it seems that there were other people who were bothered by FOX 52's edits also. I'm just gonna note that he is doing those distruptive edits again. Also, WP:3RR and WP:EW.46.196.93.250 (talk) 11:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Number of active F-16 aircraft in Turkish Air Force[edit]

Currently there is 238 F-16 in Turkish Air Force. However this "https://www.flightglobal.com/reports/world-air-forces-2020/135665.article" article shows 158 "F-16C" in combat role and 87 "F-16C" and "F-16D" in training role. So it gives wrong impression of total 245 aircraft. Actually there is 182 F-16C and 52 F-16D in Turkish Air Force. So i fixed it by citing F-16NET article (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html). It shows total 270 F-16 purchase but Turkish Air Force lost 32 F-16 in accidents so current number is 238. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenir95 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

f-16.net is a user based site WP:UGC and is NOT a reliable source - FOX 52 (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
F-16NET is the most accurate and reliable site about F-16 aircraft worldwide. More reliable then FlightGlobal about F-16. Besides it gives more detailed info about the aircraft including serial number, respective squadrons etc.(http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/serials-and-inventory/airforce/TuAF/1/)(http://www.f-16.net/units_airforce172.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenir95 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aenir95: Your personal opinion of a site doesn't change the fact that the content is user based content. Material from sites that are largely user-generated is generally unacceptable on Wikipedia. You must use reliable sourcing, - Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources –Thank you FOX 52 (talk) 18:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

about bombs and weapons[edit]

what is the point of adding them to this article while they have their own article here: List of active weapons of the Turkish Air Force

lead section[edit]

I proposed changes on lead section as current lead section do not conform to MOS:LEAD. For example, MOS:LEADSENTENCE states The first sentence should introduce the topic, and tell the nonspecialist reader what or who the subject is, and often when or where., meanwhile the first sentence of current lead section directly inform about F-16, and next sentence says about other aircraft, and then sentence after tell user about canceled order of F-35 (which didn't mentioned again in the article).

Current lead section is also different with other "List of xxx Air Force Aircraft" article such as List of active United States military aircraft, List of active military aircraft of the French Armed Forces, List of active Canadian military aircraft, List of active equipment of the German Air Force, List of active People's Liberation Army Air Force aircraft, or List of active Russian Air Force aircraft. So it fails on "Principle of least astonishment" (WP:ASTONISH). Ckfasdf (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does FOX52 owns this page?[edit]

How come he/she/they just act like as if only themselves moderate this page? Because last time I checked, updating the page with referenced information was fully complaint with wiki rules but no matter how many times I try, I get reverted... 46.196.85.168 (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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