Talk:List of anarchist organizations/Archive 1

Archive 1

Justice League & Conceivia

Justice League & Conceivia do not appear to be note-worthy. I am going to remove Justice League b/c I can find no evidence that they exist outside of their website. (this google search doesnt yield any relevant results)

Also, I am removing ABC and FNB from the North America list because they are already listed as International. - Nihila 21:20, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Overhaul

I propose that we totally reformat this page to make it more useful, utilizing an organizational method similar to that of List of anarchist periodicals. This would entail listing noteworthy organizations chronologically with dates for establishment and disbandment. I also suggest that the list could be culled of some of its less known/influential organizations. Any thoughts, objections, etc? - N1h1l (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea, maybe leaving the geographic sections, with a table similar to the periodicals one in each section? Murderbike (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. - N1h1l (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. I've made a start of it at List of anarchist organizations/temp. Feel free to pitch in. - N1h1l (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. Since no one objected, I merged in my revisions. - N1h1l (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

molinari institute

i removed this entry with the explanation that it seemed to be merely the name of a personal project and essentially not an organisation. dickclarkmises somehow interpreted this as, in their own words, "i don't like it", and reverted my edit without further explanation. anyway, the entity doesn't have a wikipedia article or even its own website. it does have a webpage, but on the originator's website. as i said, it seems to be a personal project. Bob A (talk) 03:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not a big fan of including redlinks in lists like this. But I might be convinced otherwise. Murderbike (talk) 04:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Notability threshold?

Is there a notability threshold for inclusion on this list? I propose we include (at minimum) any anarchist organization that (justifiably) has a Wikipedia article. In other words, if it satisfies WP:NOTE and can be uncontroversially or verifiably classed as anarchist, it can be added. Any objections/counterproposals? скоморохъ 19:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine with me, it seems like adding and keeping redlinks in lists is A) fodder for the deletionists, and B) a magnet for linkfarms. Murderbike (talk) 19:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good minimum standard. At some point in the distant future, we may need to restrict it even further. - N1h1l (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You guys got me slightly backwards - I meant notability should be a sufficient condition for inclusion, not a necessary one. This list is comparatively tiny - 10kb - so I think we can afford to be inclusionist. I agree with Señor Bike that redlinks are fodder for deletionists, but past cases (such as this one) suggest that sourcing is the real issue. Redlinked orgs that can't be verified by google as anarchist, and links intended to be promotional seem like good candidates for removal; otherwise, I don't see the need to be exclusionary.скоморохъ 23:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, are talking about having redlinked articles that are backed up by cites? I could be fine with that, as it wouldn't take much to turn a redlink into a blue one as soon as there's a cite behind it. Murderbike (talk) 23:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

A few possible cases:

1. Redlinks verified by an ex link to the org's homepage
2. Redlinks verified by a mention in the anarchist (online) press (e.g. infoshop/schnews)
3. Redlinks verified by non-trivial coverage in reliable sources independent of the org. (WP:N)

It sounds like you're talking about 3. I'd be cool with 2. скоморохъ 00:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I could go with that, though I don't know why we would limit it to online sources. Murderbike (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

We wouldn't, it's just a convenient test. скоморохъ 02:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm in favor of aiming for "non-trivial coverage in a reliable source". Any truly notable anarchist organization is going to garner some mention in the press or in the historical record. Let's please not start listing every high school "anarky club" that gets mentioned on Indymedia. - N1h1l (talk) 03:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What's the harm? Lists should be comprehensive, and Wiki is not paper. If a reader from West Bumfuck, Tennessee reads of the West Bumfuck Neo-Bakuninist Affinity Tribe in our list, we have done her a service without disserving anyone else, yes? скоморохъ 13:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I have no objection to the Bumfuck Neo-Bakuninist Affinity Tribe having an article, but I think that this particular list will decrease in accessibility and usefulness if noteworthy organizations are buried in sea of obscure, minor groups. - N1h1l (talk) 13:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Notability is a criterion for article topics, not content. So long as reliable sources are available, I don't see any legitimate reason to leave an organization off of the list. If the list becomes very extensive, we may just need to tweak the article's organization in order to make it more useful. DickClarkMises (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Anarchist organization

That is such an oxymoron. Isn't it funny? I thought so anyway. (Yes, I understand by organization we really mean network) GWC W64 2005 EDT 22.30

Even though i am anarchist and promote networking way of organising, i do realise that there are other ways. Federation for example is used by Industrial Workers of the World and many other syndicalist organisations. Then there are: communes, tribes, collectives, etc. Beta m (talk)

Why do people keep saying this? "Anarchist organization" IS NOT AN OXYMORON. Anarchism, broadly, means a politics which deems the State unneccessary. It has NOTHING to do with being "anti-organization." Note anarchism makes a distinction between "State" and "government." There are and have been many anarchist organizations. Anarchists depend on popular organization more than any other political theory. --Kelt65 19:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

We know. It's still kind of funny, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.129.34 (talk) 07:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

"Primeiro Comando da Capital" is NOT anarchist.

Primeiro Comando da Capital from Brazil is an criminal organization more like a Drug Cartel, not a anarchist organization. They dominate the favelas with the objetive to earn more money selling drugs and guns.

It's noteworthy the fact what the "PCC" is created to help criminals on rebellions on jails, not destabilize the governement. Also their leaders have never declared an official politic position.

I'm from Brazil, and I know what I mean. Neither the article from the English Wikipedia have something saying that they are anarchists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.124.102 (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"Red and Black Cafe" is an anarchist organization and it's notable

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2011/01/27/red-and-black-cafe-aims-for-takeover "Also of note: Look what photo Red and Black is sending out with the press releases! It's the Anarchist Press Conference band shot!"

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-26312-red_and_black_cafe_aims_to_buy_a_building%E2%80%94.html "...with the Red and Black’s anarchist reputation..."

There's also this: General piece about the collective management structure and worker ownership at the Red & Black http://kboo.fm/node/33058 Also a program about the monthly Music For the Working Class event held at the Red & Black for over a year. http://kboo.fm/node/32836

Listing the Red and Black Cafe as an anarchist organization is consistent with the current listing of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jura_Books, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizome_Collective, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Time_Store. All of these spaces share these characteristics: run on anarchist principles but were also businesses in the sense of having a physical location and selling goods or services as part of the project. Also Wikipedia's definition of 'organization' includes businesses of different types.

Along these lines I think it would be appropriate to include any other explicitly anarchist businesses like AK Press, Red Emma Books, Wooden Shoe Books et al. Jlanglang (talk) 08:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

To user Toddst1

All the organizations I added today in this list are well confirmed and rather non-controversial entities existing and which have existed. In fact they might even be less controversial than many other organizations which are in this list. All except one (the cuban Alianza libertaria Cubana which i provided references for) have articles in english wikipedia of their own from many years and also have articles in wikipedias in other languages. So I suggest User:Toddst1 to check these articles first and then come back with a response which has come more into contact with the issues dealt with here. I will gladly wait until he has done so and for any questions or particular criticisms he might have.--Eduen (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Entries without articles

Entries without articles should not be added to this list unless there are independent, reliable sources which support their entry (see WP:LISTCOMPANY). IronGargoyle (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

The french wiki articles are sourced --Anarko (talk) 07:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The references need to be here, not just in the French articles. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:53, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Usefulness

Is this list helpful? If someone wants anarchist org breakdown by country, we have categories and country-specific articles that do a better job of organizing that info. E.g., we don't have list of fascist organizations or list of communist organizations because the breakdown would actually be by specific movements or ideologies, not just loose organizations. This list doesn't seem like a useful way to present this info. Does anyone have sources that assert that "anarchist organizations as a group" is an independent concept worthy of notice? czar 14:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC)