Talk:List of cities and towns in Russia by population

Saint Petersburg Federal City vs. Saint Petersburg

I've actually been wondering about the accuracy of the definition of the city of Saint Petersburg. Does it include the entire federal subject of Saint Petersburg Federal City, or is Saint Petersburg merely a part of the federal subject? I am specifically speaking of such "cities" as Kolpino, Krasnoye Selo, Kronshtadt, Zelenogorsk, Sestroretsk, Lomonosov, Pavlovsk, Petergof, and Pushkin, which are all part of the Federal City of Saint Petersburg. If they are all separate "cities", would the area/population of the City of Saint Petersburg be reduced by the numbers of these cities? I've been looking at a spreadsheet of the 2002 Russian census results from www.perepis.ru/ (in Russian) and cannot tell what the official definition of the city is. Backspace 18:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Short answer:

the city of Saint Petersburg and the federal city of Saint Petersburg are the same thing. The population/area of all municipal entities is included into the total figures for St. Petersburg overall.

Long answer:

Federal cities of Russia enjoy a special status. A "federal city" is not the same as a regular city/town, but it is a city nevertheless. Federal cities, being equal in status to other federal subjects, are, however, more similar to them in that regard. All municipal towns/urban settlements under jurisdiction of Saint Petersburg are considered to be parts of (and located on) its territory; just like all settlements located on the territory of, for example, Krasnodar Krai, are considered to be parts of that krai's territory.

It should also be noted that each federal subject of Russia is responsible for defining its administrative divisions. The (federal) city of Saint Petersburg, for example, is subdivided into eighteen city districts. These city districts are further subdivided into municipal districts and/or municipal towns and settlements. Territories of these municipal districts/towns/settlements are, of course, included into the territory of the larger city districts, which in their turn comprise the federal city of Saint Petersburg as a whole.

I realize this is confusing. Perhaps if you think of federal cities as a hybrid of a city and a federal subject it would help. Calling subdivisions of Saint Petersburg "municipal towns" and "municipal settlements" is probably the most confusing part to you, but it's important to remember that it's just terminology Saint Petersburg officials chose to use. Note that in Moscow all subdivisions are called "districts" (okrugs), even though some of them had also once been towns and settlements. Zelenograd administrative okrug was even at one time called "the Administrative Okrug City of Zelenograd".—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 19:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

What's the sense of listing Zelenograd separately from Moscow, then? I suggest we combine them. Conscious 05:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I was hoping someone would eventually write articles on the rest of the Moscow okrugs. Their okrugs have essentially the same status as republic/oblast/krai raions, and we have articles on those. Besides, Zelenograd used to be separate from Moscow, so its history is not exactly the same as that of Moscow.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 12:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's be consistent and either remove Zelenograd or add Kolpino, Peterhof and all. (Unless there are some differences in status, of course.) The first option looks more logical. Conscious 13:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you were a deletionist :) I'd rather have separate articles on all Moscow and St. Petersburg subdivisions, but I realize that may not happen overnight (and what's already there about Moscow is a horrid mess that needs to be sorted out). If you prefer to merge them into the main articles yourself, I'm not going to be the one to stop you—I don't give a damn about Moscow one way or the other (I only edit Moscow-related material when it is part of a bigger picture) and have too much on my plate now to worry about St. Petersburg. The only recommendation I can make is to inform the Russians of your intent before you make any changes. Cheers, Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 13:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh... I was talking about this list, not articles. I'm absolutely sure that the subdivisions of Moscow and Saint Petersburg should have dedicated articles. Conscious 14:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I misunderstood. To tell the truth, I am not exactly sure how to handle this list. Zelenograd is now a part of Moscow (its okrug), but Kolpino, Peterhof et al. still retain their town status despite being parts of St. Petersburg. The two federal cities are just structured differently, which is where our problems originate. I'd say we should remove all Moscow subdivisions from this list (because they are not cities/towns as the list title suggests), but add municipal towns under jurisdiction of St. Petersburg to the St. Petersburg section (because they are towns). It may seem inconsistent, but so is the Russian federal cities' administrative structure.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 14:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

You can help in Wiktionary - to Wiki editors

The English Wiktionary's list of Russian cities is rather small and needs expansion. Only the largest cities are represented.

You can join and help to enhance the list of entries. Start with your favourite city if they don't exist yet (a regional centre or a famous city). Here are 2 examples of an entry in English and Russian (both in the English Wiktionary):

• Krasnodar
• Краснодар
• Belgorod
• Белгород

Ideally, the English entry should have at least the Russian translation and the Russian entry should link to the English one. --Anatoli (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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Suggested changes to article

I'd like to see a number of changes made to this list:

• Sources should be in English so people can check references easily. Possible pages to use are [1] [2]. Are there any English-language summaries within the official Russian census pages?

• The list is way too long, and should be cut to perhaps the top 50 or so

• It should stick to being a current population list, and not also have 2002 data. This would mean a number of columns could be deleted, helping the table look less cluttered.

• Too many images in the gallery. People should be able to see the References from the bottom of the table.

Any thoughts on this? Eldumpo (talk) 09:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, here are mine:

• English-language sources are only preferable to native sources when they are of equal or higher quality. Neither of the two sites you mentioned are anywhere near being of the same quality as the official census data; heck, I don't think they can even be considered reliable at all! Just some amateur stats cruft which Internet is full of (this doesn't mean the figures are inaccurate, but it does mean that those sites themselves are not reliable sources). That said, I don't believe the official stats are published in English (which I agree would be nice).
• The list is long because it includes all cities/towns in Russia. But since Wikipedia is not paper, I don't see how it is a problem. What is it to be gained by trimming the complete list to just top fifty entries?
• I'm currently going through all articles to update them with the final 2010 Census results. After I'm done, I'll update this list to use the final 2010 data as well (and of course, if someone beats me to that task, I don't mind in the slightest :)) As far as removing columns goes, once again, I just don't see what it is to be gained by it. Having the results of the two most recent censuses shows whether the population is growing or going down.
• I do agree that there are too many images and I'm not all too happy about their placement either.

My additional suggestion is to merge this list with the list of cities and towns in Russia (which is incomplete and is a subset of this list anyway).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 4, 2013; 14:37 (UTC)

• If those two sources I picked do have the right data, then how can they be described as of lower quality? Citypopulation.de is a long established source which I regard as reliable, and I propose to add it as an external link in any case.
• Why does the list include 'all' cities. Many lists on Wikipedia are ranked like this one but just list the top/leading entries on the topic.
• I don't mind the idea of one column listing the last census count but this list is dominated by a previous census.
• Whilst that other article needs work, I don't see how merging them would help. The list of top cities would have even more entries to wade through. Eldumpo (talk) 22:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• Having been around on the Internet long enough is not a criterion by which we judge reliability. Please read WP:RS, it explains very well what can and what cannot be considered a reliable source. Also look at WP:SPS while you are at it.
• The data for all cities are available, so why not include them all? What's the benefit of removing the rest of the list? In what way does the list become better after all the entries below 50 are removed? They are sorted by population anyway, and other sort keys are also available.
• It probably would be better if the previous census column went after the current census. I don't even mind too terribly if it were removed, but I'd rather not do it unless more people complain about it.
• I didn't say it would help the issues you raised here. Mine was more of a side comment, pointing out that the other list is a complete subset of this one and, as such, is redundant.

Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 7, 2013; 22:35 (UTC)

I raised a thread at WP:RSN, and whilst only one person has responded, the post and my subsequent findings would not seem to suggest that the citypopulation source is not reliable. Notwithstanding that, can the second citation be made direct as it seems to go to a page where there are further word/excel page options.

We may not agree on the length of the list, so as a compromise why not use a 100k cut-off (which tallies with Citypopulation). Also, you said earlier the list includes 'all' cities, in which case the page name should then change to List of most populous cities in Russia.

What about agreeing that the 2002 census column remains so people can see the actual population figures, but the 2002 rank and change columns get deleted? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 09:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

We might not agree on the length of the list, but I would still very much like to hear the benefit of cutting it. Can you elaborate, please? It's not just cutting the list for the sake of cutting it, I hope?

I'll comment on WP:RSN later today as well and also post on WT:RUSSIA; perhaps it'll draw further comments.

I don't mind seeing the change column gone (it's easily calculated anyway), and am ambivalent about the 2002 rank column (on one hand, it's a good indicator of the trend, and the only one if the change column is removed; on the other, it's indeed only marginally useful). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 11, 2013; 13:15 (UTC)

I've invited the members of WP:RUSSIA, WP:GEOG, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities to provide further input (both here and on the RS-noticeboard). If you can think of other applicable WikiProjects whose input could benefit this discussion, please don't hesitate to invite them as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 11, 2013; 15:30 (UTC)

• I basically agree with Ezhiki. Right now, the census results is the only reliable source on the population, and we do not even have reliable sources on the current population - they are decentralized and inconsistent. I do not see any harm in having a long list. Note that in Russia a town/city is a locality which has a town status confirmed by a decision of the parliament - not just anything which has multistory buildings and looks like town. Concerning the 2002 results, as soon as we have the 2010 results in order, those can go. As far as I am concerned, the images can go as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Return

• OK, there seems to be no consensus to shorten the list, but there needs to be some clarity about what the list represents. Further up this thread there is a suggestion that the list includes all towns/cities, but the intro to the article states it is only those over 50,000. Can someone confirm?
• There does seem to be consensus to reduce all the columns related to 2002, except (for now) the one that relates to the actual population figures, and. I plan to make this change. Eldumpo (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
  • The list represents an enumeration of cities and towns in Russia sorted by population, of course ;) It includes all cities/towns with the population of over 50,000 (and including the rest, should there be an interest in doing so, is a trivial task).
  • In absence of any further comments regarding the columns dealing with the 2002 Census, I'd say go ahead. It's certainly not an enjoyable task one would be looking forward to doing, so thank you for volunteering!
  • Just as an FYI, I'm planning to update the 2010 column with the final results (as opposed to the preliminary results currently in place) in the next month or so. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 14, 2013; 20:30 (UTC)
    • Thanks for swift response. Is there a formal difference between a 'town' and 'city' in Russia? If so, how many of the current entries are towns, and what do you think about removing those, making the list Cities only, and then potentially another list could be created for Towns. Or should the list refer to Settlements instead if there is no formal difference, or should the 50k threshold being used be integrated into the title? Eldumpo (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

      No, there is no formal difference. Settlements are a different thing, but none of them is in the list.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

A number of the 2002-related columns have now been deleted. After I started the process, a helpful IP finished the changes. Also, can the 2nd citation at the article point to a particular page. At present, it appears to point to an 'index' page. Eldumpo (talk) 17:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

It'll need to be changed after the figures are updated with the final numbers anyway. Thanks for taking care of the cleanup, by the way!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 18, 2013; 12:08 (UTC)

Ranking numbers

Why are there ranking numbers missing from the end? They are alright until #322, then they go like this: 326, 327, 328, 329, 334, 342, 344, 346, 349, 351, 355, 357. There are only 335 cities on the list, of which the last one is not a city anymore. So is there a reason for the gaps on the list? 85.217.42.90 (talk) 23:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Because the list originally contained all the cities/towns with the population of over 50,000 as of the 2002 Census. When the 2010 data became available, the populations of some towns dipped below 50,000. They were not removed from the list (because the 2002 column is still available), but they dropped in rankings; hence the gaps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 26, 2013; 12:11 (UTC)

So those are correct current rankings? :O 85.217.42.90 (talk) 07:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 5, 2013; 12:13 (UTC)

Tweaking the Table

Hello all. I'm working on tweaking the table for this list. I recently have done several tweaks to the tables for the US's largest cities and Brazil's largest cities lists, and this one is next on my radar. I have all of the population figures for cities with 50,000+ with the 2010 official counts and the estimates as of 1/1/2017 (per citypopulation.de/Russia.html). I'd like to talk about a few suggestions or ideas that I have and then have a conversation as to whether or not these would be good ideas:

• Leave the 2010 Census count in, but add in the 2017 estimates and also a column showing the percent change (similar to the US and Brazil lists)
• Possibly add in the land area and population density columns (though I'm iffy on this one).
• Maybe eliminate the column for the Federal District, and instead provide a separate section on the article regarding federal districts and which federal subjects are included within each.
• Lat/long coordinates

I'm kind of throwing things together on a table on my laptop so that I'm not updating things incrementally on here. But what are your thoughts? Coulraphobic123 (talk) 05:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Your suggested additions would be very welcome. Thank you. Please leave in the Federal District column; Russia is enormous and it helps to have multiple ways of understanding its demographics. -- M2545 (talk) 07:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

What if in the federal subjects column I shade the cells a certain color corresponding to which federal district that subject is in like on the Federal districts of Russia page? Coulraphobic123 (talk) 17:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I updated the table and color-coded the federal subjects column to pertain to their federal districts. I eliminated the federal district column so that none of the lines in the table would wrap onto another line. I used the colors for the federal districts based on the colors for the federal districts page, but if there is anyone who wants to go through and maybe make the colors more diluted or transparent, that'd be appreciated. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 04:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this article, Coulraphobic123. It is too bad that you eliminated the federal district column, since it provides valuable information about regional demographics. Its inclusion may cause the "lines in the table [to] wrap onto another line" on your monitor, but not necessarily on all monitors, some being wider than others. The Russian-language version includes both federal subject and district columns, after all, and the value of comparative regional demographics in one handy sortable column outweighs your layout view preference, I think. If you could restore the deleted federal district column to the now much improved article, that would be great. Again, thanks for your work here. -- M2545 (talk) 09:13, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the critiques. I will reinstate the federal district column when I get the time! Coulraphobic123 (talk) 00:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! -- M2545 (talk) 06:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

A bit belated, but I wanted to say that while I appreciate the edits in general, it would have been much more helpful to include the population counts from the two most recent censuses (2002 and 2010), as well as the most current official estimates. Citypopulation.de is someone's personal project and is not a reliable source; it does not even make it clear where the 2017 estimates originally come from. Having freely available Roststat's estimates would have been much more preferable, although, of course, it's a lot more work to collect those in one place.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 2, 2017; 17:32 (UTC)

Thanks for the input and I agree. I tried searching for where those estimates came from, including attempting to navigate what I think may have been the Roststat site...but was unable to find them. I feel that the 2010 Census official counts were maybe too "out of date" if you will and that it would be best to find the most recent estimates if possible. Unfortunately, I could only find them on citypopulation.de. Would you or anybody else have better knowledge or access to the most recent official estimates? Coulraphobic123 (talk) 23:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

The 2010 Census is the most recent one (with the next one planned for 2020, but there won't be any usable results for that one until at least the end of 2021), and the Census data are widely used to provide comparable data points (since the methodology in fairly consistent). The estimates are collected using a different methodology (and methodologies may even vary for different federal subjects). That's why results of both Censuses (for comparison) and the most recent available estimate (for having a general idea of the trends) are normally included into articles about Russian populated places, and which is why it would make sense to build the overview table here the same way.

Anyway, if you still wish to continue to volunteer for keeping this article up-to-date (which is very much appreciated, never mind my perceived grumpiness :)), you can use this Rosstat's source to replace citypopulation.de. The file you need is Tabl-31-17.xls, which contains the cities/towns and their populations as of 1/1/17 in columns B and C. It's obviously in Russian, but if you run the city names through any freely available transliteration service, the outcome is going to be very close to what the actual article names are. Feel free to ping me if you run into any complication, though; I'll be happy to help. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 3, 2017; 17:38 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: Where did you get the above rar file. Is it available on-line? I couldn’t open it but was only trying on iPad. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 07:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: I've just checked the link above, and the rar file is downloading fine. You might want to try it on a real computer :) (And if you still can't get it to download, feel free to email me and I'll be happy to send you a copy). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 12, 2018; 14:25 (UTC)

@Ezhiki: @Coulraphobic123: You can see I have added the file link you gave as a source to the 2017 column. I checked the top 15 entries and the figures for City Population / Official were the same except for Moscow, which I will change. Eldumpo (talk) 10:19, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: Thanks for doing all that work; much appreciated!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 10, 2018; 13:40 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: Thank you for doing that, I appreciate it! I'd been focusing my attention on other articles lately so I appreciate the collaboration with everyone in making this page accurate and well-sourced! Coulraphobic123 (talk) 01:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Multiple tags

To me, none of them makes sense.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Better visibility of annexation issue

Hello,

Considering the beginning of the article states that Ukrainian cities such as Sevastopol are not included in the list, can this issue be resolved?

Either, the recent edit from August to include Ukrainian cities is undone, and they are excluded as is stated in the opening blurb, or the cities are kept in the list but a more thorough section of the opening blurb (or perhaps a new heading) is written up to give the perspective that the Ukrainian cities are only recognised as being parts of Russia by a handful of nations?

FormalRS (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I actually resolved this before you have written this comment.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

As you had recommended, I believed that such an edit to the page would require discussion on the talk page. However I see this is not the case for yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FormalRS (talk • contribs) 20:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Fine, I have reverted.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Nothing has changed on this topic in the intervening time. Please abide by the consensus and cease editing wars. 2600:1008:B015:2A95:F496:11AC:F84D:BB08 (talk) 14:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

The consensus has been established years ago, and, I am sorry to say, you have not participated in it. You are evading block anyway, and the article is under discretionary sanctions.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

By all means provide the evidence you have I am evading a block. You're strangely emotionally invested in this sentence. 2600:1008:B015:2A95:F496:11AC:F84D:BB08 (talk) 19:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Population density map - request to clarify units

The population density map is excellent but there's nothing to show what units of land area it uses. Would someone clarify that? Poihths (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

2021 census

 Info There are new datas about population - results of the 2021 census are published: https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/tab-5_VPN-2020.xlsx . The Russian article is renewed yet. -- VAP+VYK (talk) 06:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I will take care of it.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainian cities have been added to this list

No countries in the world are currently recognizing Ukrainian cities as Russian cities. They shouldn't be added to this list. 188.25.61.227 (talk) 08:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

What you say is written in the article. Ymblanter (talk) 08:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Donetsk is now in the list, so will Ukraine-controlled Kramatorsk, which is also in the "annexed" area and therefore "legally" a Russian city, be added too? Are you aware of what is happening here? 46.128.199.190 (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Crimea is on the list so including occupied and annexed cities in grey and annexed but not controlled cities in pink, might be appropriate for consistency. Dashing24 (talk) 13:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with the above. It is noted in the article that the annexed portions of Ukraine are not recognized internationally as part of Russia and are considered illegitimate. However, they're still considered "Russian" cities under Russian "law." I feel there's room for those cities in this article that are not ranked like the Crimean cities.Coulraphobic123 (talk) 01:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

So we’re going to add and delete them from week to week as the war progresses? This is supposed to be an encyclopedic list of statistics about a country, not a news ticker.

If disputed cities are included, they ought to be kept in a separate table to clearly reflect their status as Ukrainian. The current grey background doesn’t convey any information.  —Michael Z. 14:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with @Mzajac statement in full. Wikipedia is not a news source, there should be here only the recognised ones in a list. As this is an ongoing war, putting Crimea, but not Donetsk or Luhansk cities shows how adding the first makes no sense. They all have the same status as for this post (annexed and occupied), so should we add all of them? Of course not. This is a 9-years war, there are pages specific for that matter and that deal with this topic. Until the war ends, it makes absolutely no sense on adding these here.

If for some reason you really want to include the annexed unrecognised territories, they must be added at least in a separate table as occupied territories, and they must follow some rule, not random parameters.

- Imperadors (talk) 08:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Imperados I added this disclaimer to the to the top

"Cities in grey are in areas annexed by Russia that the international community considers illegally occupied by Russia. Only a few nations recognize Crimea as part of Russia."

There was no key to indicate these aren't Russian cities included in a list of Russian cities Jgmac1106 (talk) 17:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

This still does not make sense. You just seem to have ignored aa crucial part of my comment above:

This an ongoing war, putting Crimea, but not Donetsk or Luhansk cities shows how adding the first (Crimea) makes no sense. They all have the same status as for this post (annexed and occupied).

Until the war ends, it makes absolutely no sense on adding these here. If for some reason you really want to include the annexed unrecognised territories, they must be added at least in a separate table as occupied territories, and they must follow some rule, not random parameters.

As I said. Adding just Crimean cities without the other occupied ones shows that adding occupied territories of an ongoing war makes no sense.

Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk have the same status: They are officially annexed and currently occupied. A lot of other cities in these regions have the same status following the annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

The best example is the city of Kherson (same for Izyum). It was annexed by Russia on 30 September 2022, then Ukrained took it back on the following year. Should it be added in the main list? Of course not. But following your idea, it should have been as soon it was annexed, then it would have been removed a few weeks later.

The same is valid for the other cities. Wikipedia is not a news website about an ongoing war. There are specific pages for documenting this. You should either put these cities on a separate table under the main one, or just not put them at all. There are other pages that already fulfil the goal of documenting the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine and even more broad ones like Russian-occupied territories. Imperadors (talk) 13:14, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Sebastopol is not in Russia. It's a simple as that. Putin can decree tomorrow that pigs have wings but that doesn't make it so. At the very most, occupied cities could be listed separately, but to list them in the table like this is misleading. People come to articles like this looking for the tables and don't read all the context given. If the heading says "cities in Russia" and a city is on the list, they'll think that implies the city is in Russia. You can put it on a separate list of cities that are not in Russia but commonly alleged to be. 73.2.34.159 (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Synthesis

The inclusion of cities in Ukraine on a list of cities of Russia is WP:SYNTH, and not supported by WP:RS. There is no RS consensus that cities in Ukraine belong to the set of “cities in Russia.” There is no RS consensus to treat the set of “cities in Russia” as including those in Russia and in Crimea, Ukraine, while omitting those in Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts of Ukraine. At best there is some coverage of Russian internal administrative functions that are dated because their data was gathered between 2014 and 2022, which is not the same as labelling these “cities in Russia.”

The content guideline WP:LISTCRITERIA says:

Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. Avoid original or arbitrary criteria that would synthesize a list that is not plainly verifiable in reliable sources. In cases where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed, it is especially important that inclusion be based on reliable sources given with inline citations for each item.

What makes sense is to have a separate top-level heading for a standalone table “Russian-occupied cities and towns in Ukraine.” Its inclusion criteria should be clearly defined. All of the same background information would then be applied to a list that follows sources, rather than this imaginary table that says “Ukraine is Russia.”— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzajac (talk • contribs)

"List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15 § List of Russian administrative centers(*) and cities over 50,000 population at 2002 census until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Columns names "2010 Census" and "2021 Census"

The names for columns seem to be placed incorrectly - they should be swapped, because the names don't match the numbers in the columns.

Russian version of this table has similar structure, and columns are named correctly there. AntonKravtsov (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixed! Coulraphobic123 (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)