Talk:List of cities in the United Kingdom

Discussion at WikiProject UK Geography

I have begun a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#The 'List of cities...' article needs a rework about the length and quality of this article, feel free to participate. A.D.Hope (talk) 08:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Charter trustees

Should Bath not state city status applies to the unparished area of Bath rather than just stating charter trustees? In the other 2 cases of charter trustees namely Chester and Durham the status applies to a larger area which doesn't really exist as a territory and while an unparished area is often not a legal entity it can still have a charter trustees. This is similar to the fact we say city status is held by Peterborough district not Peterborough City Council we should probably at least list Bath as applying to the unparished area rather than just the charter trustees. Note with Bath the County Borough of Bath survived the 1974 reforms and was a non-metropolitan district of Avon (with a city council) concurrent with the unparished area of Bath but the district was then abolished but the unparished area remained so the unparished area got a charter trustees. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Swale, Chester and Durham were former districts (like Bath, as a borough is just a title for a district). Chester is mainly unparished bar a small area, while Durham is mostly (but not completely) parished. It is hard to then describe any shared political geography with such varied makeups. The column in the table instead describes the political entity that holds the city designation, the common body of all three being the trustees (which are usually councillors of the present district the city is located in). These trustees represent the former districts, as the city status with all three was not transferred to any succeeding local government area. Regards, The Equalizer (talk) 23:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Chester and Durham appear to be the areas covered by the former districts, for example Chester includes Mickle Trafford and Durham includes Coxhoe which are parished while Bath only includes the unparished area of Bath namely the area covered by the 1974-1996 district of Avon which is the same as the former county borough. As far as I can see all other unparished areas (current and former) were individual unparished areas with no parished areas being covered by charter trustees, Chester and Durham appear to be the exceptions as the districts that existed from 1974 to 2009 were formed from mergers and include parished areas unlike Bath. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

The column heading is 'city council status'. It is not 'city political geography'. The trustees are the administrative successors of the former borough. The unparished area, while concurrent is council-less and to suggest otherwise would be original research. The Equalizer (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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List of cities in the UK and some that are in places of limited independence from the UK but are not in the UK

The article has sections and entries dedicated to cities that clearly do not meet the inclusion criteria as stated in the title. As an encyclopaedia, we should aim for precision and accuracy. So it seems that either the article should be renamed, or the non UK sites should be removed (although a sentence stating that UK authorities also nominate city status elsewhere would seem reasonable). But which? Kevin McE (talk) 10:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't remove altogether, ideally those want splitting out to an article as it's so long already, although a note added to the existing overseas text is ok. We've had opponents speak up when editors tried to revert such changes as here, and along with all the excitement with overseas locations included for the first time in last year's competition, the sections ended up remaining.

Another related chat was about writing up a history on the development of British Empire cities, see here, but if just focused on moving the list fine, although the main Cities article has overseas sections too (one of which was added by an admin), some of which relate to Empire development, maybe split those out and add the list at the end? The Equalizer (talk) 19:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Errors made because people are animated by something in the news should not determine the content of an encyclopaedia. Let's apply a standard of verifiable truth. It is verifiably untrue that Douglas and Stanley are in the UK. Kevin McE (talk) 18:21, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Caption on main photo is incorrect

Text says

Birmingham is the largest recognised city and second largest urban area in the United Kingdom » second largest urban area » links to a page showing Birmingham as third 90.224.68.240 (talk) 19:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. The Equalizer (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

"De facto" v "de jure"

The section "list of cities" needs a hatnote to explain the basis that determines them. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It's starting to get complicated again, but I've gone with it and done a tidy up on the table with added explanatory footnotes. The list on gov.uk should be a model though as it is far simpler. The Equalizer (talk) 22:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)