Talk:List of diasporas

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British[edit]

I've added British for the reasons explained, though someone deleted my first attempt. Some of the British who migrated were fleeing religious persecution (eg the Pilgrim Fathers); others were deported as convicts, not least to Australia; others were economic migrants, in search of a better life; and others were land grabbers.

If anyone still feels the need to delete this entry, please could they let me know why. Millbanks 20:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Be More Specific[edit]

You have confused colonialism with diaspora, the two are not the same nor even overlapping. When you cite an English "diaspora," focus on situations in which English people have been forced to leave their homes, and undergo a traumatic separation from traditional identities in order to interact as guests in a new society NOT entirely of their own choosing. This is what diaspora means. I think there are scant examples of this, if any...even the "pilgrims" we learned about as "persecuted" -- did they lose their homes and "scatter" to whatever society would take them into a new fold? (This is what diaspora is.) Or wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they had political/religious differences with their contemporaries on British soil, and so *sold* their homes for legal tender and carried their riches in planned journeys to a land where they could own land but still count themselves as citizens of their original homeland? (This is what colonialism is.) This is hardly an "uprooting" or a "scattering," I think it's a really disingenuous use of the term "diaspora." But if you can be more specific, I think that would be very helpful.

I have moved and edited your contribution to "E" for English, because Anglo- identity is broadly associated with the language and people of England who may have been displaced. Conversely the larger category of "Britain" refers to the colonizing force, i.e. the state apparatus. (There may also be a "Breton(ian)" diaspora, but I don't think that's what you mean.) But I would still appreciate it if you would be more specific about when and in what ways the English experienced diasporic trauma as entrants into an established society other than their own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.146.226 (talk) 07:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Carson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.146.226 (talk) 07:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Australian[edit]

I am pasting this explanation here, which I have also put on the main diaspora articleSeventhHell (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC): "...not only was there a sentence here/in list of diasporas on an 'Australian diaspora', there is (or was) a whole Australian diaspora article, which I have proposed for deletion - it is written almost entirely by one author, it references only a newspaper article and a government report, saying that a million (or elsewhere 5%, though the maths doesn't add up ) of Australians are "living" overseas - most of them are probably on working holidays, that's not a diaspora! Far more than 5% of any country's population are probaly o/s at any one time. If we stick with the definition we have, so diluted as to be meaningless, we are laden with a bad article, which is bound to give rise to such dross. So I am going to delete the line on the Australian diaspora in 'list of diasporas', I am an Australian who has lived overseas and it was no diaspora. I note that there was an editing war in Sept 2005 on whether the dispersion of people following Hurricane Katrina constituted a diaspora, so I think this is a far less controversial deletion, Australia has not even had a natural disaster on that scale, let alone human movement on the scale seen during Katrina. Most of the other diasporas here and in the list of diasporas seem genuine, they mostly involve some elements of either force, fear or unrest. To my mind, colonisation of the original Diaspora and similar genuine diaporas is somewhere in the league of Holocaust denial. What do others think? SeventhHell (talk) 15:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)"[reply]

Here is the line I cut: *Australian diaspora - 750,000 Australian expatriates live outside of Australia, mostly business executives and retirees seeking a new place to live. There are large Australian communities in New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and North America, and smaller groups in Europe, Africa (i.e. South Africa), the Middle East (i.e the United Arab Emirates), east and south Asia (i.e. Thailand), and Latin America (i.e. Argentina). Does anyone seriously think that 'business executives and retirees seeking a new place to live' constitutes a diaspora? SeventhHell (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Americans living overseas[edit]

According to the Department of State, in the year 2008, an estimated 7.5 million U.S. American expatriates (most have dual national US citizenship) live outside the United States, the highest number ever recorded in that country's history. They could qualify in the definition of a diaspora of a certain nationality living overseas. The nickname "Expatria" has enough people, if it were a state of its own, it would rank 15th largest in population. About half of the U.S. expatria lives in Mexico at 3.5 million alone (1.5 million are full-timers) and Canada is home to 700,000 ex-Americans, the historic country of choice for expatriates. The runner-up list for American expatria is Europe (primarily the UK, France, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Germany, Portugal, Greece and Switzerland) and the rest are found in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the Philippines and fairly small in South America (Guyana is said to have 100,000 American expats). The main reason for Americans live overseas is for business reasons, retirement and a sizable number for political opposition: the "Kerryites" in the 2000's threatened to relocate out of America if George W. Bush was re-elected and the second-home phenomena for Americans to live seasonally in another country. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 16:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the number of Americans living aboard now (as of 2016) grew to 10 million and about 2 million descendants of US citizens worldwide, should be one of the world's largest citizenry diasporas. Although the largest ethnic diasporas are Chinese (54-58 million citizens from China, up to 100 million total ethnic Chinese) and Irish (80 million descendants), the number of American expats is higher than ever. Europe has between 4.5 to 5.5 million American expats, Mexico has 3 to 3.5 million-the highest of any country, Canada has one million with a history of American immigration, Australia 200,000 and Israel 200,000. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Over 6 million Californians permanently left the state in the last 30 years (since the mid 1980s) to nearby western states (Nev, Az, Wa state, Ore, Ida, Mon, Wyo, Ut & Col to name a few), the majority of them are middle-aged and older retirees, white-Anglo with a good number of blacks left CA (many to the southeast or southern states) at the same time, and are moderate Democrat or Republican, esp conservative wanting to live in states with lower income tax rates. This causes CA to have different changed demographics, with more younger adult, Latino or Asian (esp foreign-born) and liberal Democrats. There are now theories 15 million left CA since 1980 versus 14 million moved into the state from 1850 to 1980, may be seasonal residents and migrant farm laborers, who don't reside in CA year-round or permanently. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 21:20, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Estonians[edit]

There is now way there could be 5 million Estonians living in diaspora; the total number of Estonians does not exceed 1 million, out of which, probably about 100 000 live outside of Estonia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiveispak (talk • contribs) 09:09, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian empire has displaced a fairly high number of Estonians into exile, does it count the number of descendants (the 3.5 million outside Estonia) whom assimilated into Russian society? The Estonian people are generally small in size (1.5 million within Estonia), but doesn't it include Estonian sub-groups: the Chudes, Livonians, Setos and Voros in neighboring lands of Russia and Latvia-Lithuania? I would like to know the corrected number of Estonians, unless you count 100,000 dual nationals in the former USSR or the number of expatriates in the EU countries. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 03:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Germans expelled/in diaspora[edit]

I'm sorry but the Soviets did not expel 10 million Germans. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and Yugoslavia did, with Soviet and Allied material and political support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.211.25 (talk) 05:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in List of diasporas[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of diasporas's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Cohen":

  • From Demographics of Haiti: Cohen, Gigi (2004-03-24). "Haiti's Dark secret:The Restavecs". National Public Radio.
  • From Italians in France: Cohen, Robin (1995). The Cambridge Survey of World Migration. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 143. ISBN 9780521444057.
  • From Bosnia and Herzegovina: Philip J. Cohen (1996). Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History. College Station: Texas A&M University Press. pp. 109–10. ISBN 978-0-89096-760-7.
  • From Hong Kong: Cohen, Warren I.; Li, Zhao (1997). Hong Kong Under Chinese Rule: The Economic and Political Implications of Reversion. Cambridge University Press. pp. 220–235. ISBN 978-0-521-62761-0.
  • From Chicago: Lizabeth Cohen, Making a New Deal: Industrial Workers in Chicago, 1919–1939. Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press, 1990; pp. 33–34.
  • From North America: Jonathan Cohen. "The Naming of America: Fragments We've Shored Against Ourselves". Retrieved 2014-02-03.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stateless nations/ethnic groups living in diasporas[edit]

Wikipedia used to have an article listing the world's many stateless ethnic groups, but the article was deleted. Many of these stateless ethnic groups live as diasporas around the world, due to political and economic turmoil in their historic homelands made them migrate outward to various places. Examples are the Kurds, Palestinians and Tibetans, but historically included others like the Irish, Armenians and Koreans. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:F522:3843:F37F:53A (talk) 00:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Population of Jews in the US[edit]

Someone removed the population estimates of Jewish Americans or American Jews from the paragraph on the Jewish diaspora. It said between 5.5 to 8.5 million, and the editor stated in edit summary: "outdated". Internet sources vary on how many Jewish people live in the USA, from 1.5 to 2.5% of the US population, to even up to 10 million including non-practicing Jews either as non-religious or in other religions depending on Halakhic Law on the definition of Who is a Jew?. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:D962:2182:F3EB:EEB3 (talk) 03:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are 14.8 million Jews in the world, and over half of them reside in the USA, more so than the Jewish majority nation, Israel (about 5.8 million). They are of various nationalities, variations of Judaism (Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative, Orthodox, and Hasidic); and finally who may be half or part-Jewish (as an ethnicity group).[1] 12.218.47.124 (talk) 17:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-70-israels-population-is-8-842-million-43-of-world-jewry/

Diaspora sprawl[edit]

In this small world, I learned from reading the article and its links to others: South Africans (Afrikaners) in Republic of Georgia in recent times, Circassians from the vicinity of Georgia live in the Ukraine since the 1860s, Ukrainian immigrants in Portugal in the last quarter a century, Azorean Portuguese settlers in Puerto Rico before or after US annexation, Puerto Ricans in Hawaii whose families arrived as migrant laborers, and a few Polynesian Maori in South Africa as a result of New Zealand was part of the (British) Commonwealth of Nations. Diasporas are an important part of world history to learn about. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 17:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A table[edit]

It would be nice to format part of this information as a table and append it. --167.57.128.109 (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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