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List of misogynist slurs?

In the spirit of this enlightening article, why doesn't Wikipedia have a list of misogynist slurs? You know, "bitch," "cunt", etc.? Chisme (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

They aren't covered within the scope of this article, which exclusively deals with ethnic slurs; however, if you believe that you have plenty of verifiable and reliable sources dealing with this issue, there's nothing stopping you from creating a new article that specifically covers them. --benlisquareT•C•E 12:15, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
So whether the article is offensive isn't a criterion? How about an article called "List of homosexual slurs"? Chisme (talk) 17:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Well Wikipedia is not censored, as far as the information is verifiable and justified to be for informational purposes or more specifically enough to have an independent article. I think this article does deliver value. If you think there should be an article on one of those, go ahead and create one. In any case, I don't think this talk page is the right venue for asking what other articles wikipedia does not have. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
"Well Wikipedia is not censored." What does censorship have to do with it? Wikipedia does have to conform to community standards, correct? Chisme (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
And the "community standards" are based upon WP:CONSENSUS, which is official Wikipedia policy. Currently there is consensus that this article has its merits. Of course, you're free (and more than welcome) to challenge that consensus by starting a community discussion, however may I remind you that you cannot enforce a minority view if you cannot establish clear community consensus. While you may find concern regarding this article, there are more people that disagree with your opinion, and unless your opinion becomes the mainstream sentiment, there is no need for any change at all. --benlisquareT•C•E 02:22, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
By "community standards" I referred to those of the community at large, not the Wikipedia "community" and its WP:CONSENSUS. Contrary to your view, the Wikipedia community standards are probably not that different from the standards upheld outside Wikipedia's internet "community." For example, if you were to go to a Wikipedia user's Talk page and call that person a "nigger," "sheeny," "taco bender" or "dune coon," you would likely be tossed off Wikipedia. I challenge you to try that as an experiment or test of the "community" standards on Wikipedia. Chisme (talk) 14:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
The article "delivers value"? How? Chisme (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
It helps people to find information on ethnic slurs. See WP:LISTPURP for what lists are for. As to your original question, bitch (insult) and cunt both have articles and are part of Category:Sexuality and gender-related slurs. Perhaps there should be a list, but it would be an uphill climb. List of sexual slurs and Glossary of sexual slurs have been discussed for deletion many times. Apperently it got moved from "List" to "Glossary" and then deleted. This article persists because there is more in depth information for ethnic slurs then a dictionary would have, but anytime you try to create any list of terms you will hear the cry of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:07, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
All WP:LISTPURP says is, "The list may be a valuable information source." How is "List of ethnic slurs" valuable? Because it helps readers find information about ethnic slurs, as you say. So, let's suppose, I want to insult an African-American without using the word "nigger." I could come here and find "mooncricket," "niglet," or "porch monkey?" You're saying this list is a means of enlarging one's vocabulary in regard to insults? Or would it be used in an opposite manner? Say I was Black and somebody called me a "quashie." I could come here to ascertain whether I'd really been insulted -- or "slurred" to use the term in the title of this article? What I'm getting at is: What's the real purpose of this list? I'm still not clear how it "delivers value." Chisme (talk) 23:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
How you use the information you find on Wikipedia is up to you, it is not up to the morals police to enforce correct usage of knowledge obtained from Wikipedia content. We have articles that teach readers how to painlessly commit suicide, for example. See Wikipedia:Content disclaimer and Wikipedia:Risk disclaimer. --benlisquareT•C•E 02:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Morals? What does that have to do with information? I asked a simple question. Is the "information" in this list meant for people who want to insult members of other races, or is it meant as a resource for people who have been insulted to find out the degree to which they have been insulted? The criteria for having lists is their usefulness. How is the "List of Ethnic Slurs" useful? Also, I looked but could not find the Wikipedia article to which you allude -- namely, "How to Painlessly Commit Suicide." Chisme (talk) 14:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
The information is for whoever wants it for whatever they want, like the rest of Wikipedia. For "How to Painlessly Commit Suicide." see Suicide methods#Poison. We have answered your direct questions. It seems you are just baiting people at this point because you feel this article has some evil agenda beyond just providing information from reliable sources. It does not. If you feel the article needs deleting put it up for deletion again. If you have some specific suggestion to improve the article, suggest it in a new discussion. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, I looked but could not find the Wikipedia article to which you allude -- namely, "How to Painlessly Commit Suicide."

- Refer to Hydrogen cyanide#Production and synthesis or Sulfur mustard#Synthesis. Anyone can purchase all the ingredients needed from a hardware store, and there have been many cases in the news where people have committed suicide using information obtained from the internet (or more specifically, Wikipedia). Also refer to File:Hangmans Noose Howto.jpg, which teaches the reader, step by step, how to tie a hangman's knot, in addition to gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid and gamma-Butyrolactone which teach the reader the reactions needed to make kidnapping drugs. --benlisquareT•C•E 05:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
All I'm trying to do is get people who gleefully delight in putting hateful terms in an "encyclopedia" to see what they're really doing. I used the Socratic method. As to your notion that information is merely bare-naked data and those who provide the information are not responsible for what others do with it, that is an ethical question which, you are right, probably shouldn't be discussed here, as you are incapable of discussing it. Chisme (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to take the passive-aggressive narcissist route, then I'm going to have to show you the door. You're free to discuss your views, but nobody should have to deal with your snarky attitude if you're not willing to be civil in your discourse. --benlisquareT•C•E 05:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2015

Additionally, the term frog may simply refer to "French Origin"

24.156.205.250 (talk) 00:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Ooga Booga

I don't know about Ooga Booga being used to describe an Indigenous Australian, despite the citation. I've never personally heard the term used that way - when I was growing up, Ooga Booga was your archetypal island cannibal, possibly Melanesian or the like, wielding a spear and having a bone through his nose. You know, grass skirts and all that. Not an Indigenous Australian. That's my take anyway. Peter Greenwell (talk) 15:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

The citation didn't define the word per say. Just an instance of someone using it. I do not see it defined anywhere else. I removed it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Khokhol vs Moskal

Both are historical and can (but not must) be seen as offensive. Claiming they are "neutral" or/and "offensive" is both ways - incorrect. Both are used in historical works, poems etc by well known authors, such as Alexander Pushkin and so on. 93.129.201.220 (talk) 13:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Sheep Shaggers

In Australia, a 'Sheep Shagger' refers to the New Zealanders, this references that there are many sheep in New Zealand, and the stereotypical perception of New Zealanders in Australia as having intercourse with sheeps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.225.181 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Not just them. Beastiality accusations are good slurs against almost any group. Canadians = moosefuckers, Chinamen = pandafuckers, Arabs = camelfuckers, etc. 173.209.211.132 (talk) 21:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2015

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term[1] for a group of high-status and influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry. The term applies to a group believed to control disproportionate social, political, and financial power in the United States.[2] It describes a group whose family wealth, education, status, and elite connections allow them a degree of privilege held by few others

(Taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant) Altrune (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. TrueCRaysball | #RaysUp 09:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Search

I would have a way to search by country of origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:5C12:B820:C771:BFE6 (talk) 15:57, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Try using CTRL+F. --benlisquareT•C•E 04:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Ukrop ("Укроп")

This word is invented nationality name derived from invented country name Укропа.
Укропа in turn has derived from two words: Украина (Ukraine) and Европа (Europe).
Both words was invented when one half of ukrainian public decided to work towards "european values" as they understood them.
Emergence of these words was supported by existence of russian word "укроп" (dill). 178.204.238.118 (talk) 09:44, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

We have an article on UKROP and it doesn't seem to be an ethnic slur. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Terms needed

Lace-curtain Irish, Shanty Irish, and Harp are all needing to be added, as well as Hunky/Hunkie (which are currently - and incorrectly - described as an African-American pronunciation of honkey, referring to Hungarians and other Central Europeans, as if African-Americans had a lot of reason to refer to such). I'll try to pull some citations this week. Irish Melkite (talk) 08:41, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Rosbif

Although maybe only classed as a minor slur, should Rosbif be included for the French slur for the English? It's even mentioned in the article as a comparative term under "Frog". If Pom & Limey (I also don't get offended by these terms either) are listed then think this should be too — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.58.9 (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2015

pls rush b fast

71.183.246.103 (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.--Auric talk 22:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Jijjiboo

The only original source found for jijjiboo is in the lyrics of 1784 children's song Ride a cock horse to Banbury Cross, and 1909 variation I've Got Rings On My Fingers. Jijjiboo does not appear to be a slur.

(access to Oxford Eng Dic unavail to me) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkuhn (talk • contribs) 22:33, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Inaccuracies - edits required ?

The entry for "tinker" contains an incorrect etymology - "tinker" is unrelated to "tinkerer", or to fixing of household objects, it's derived from the term for "tinsmith", which was a traditional traveller trade.

Also, the entry for "wog" contains the disproved backronym "worthy oriental gentleman", which the main wikipedia article on the term dismisses. The article should be consistent.

We should only include what is in the reference. However I do not have the ref to hand. If you can find the ref and tell me what is says, I will remove anything that fails verification. Regarding wog I found this ref that mentions it is a satirical interpretation. Basically people didn't really believe this, it just made the slur worse. I think it is worth mentioning, but we should clarify that it is a spurious origin. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Please add the following contents:

- Jek (เจ๊ก) (literal meaning in Teochew Chinese language: uncle (male siblings of father) The term has been used by Thai people to refer to people that are of Chinese descents regardless being male or not. It has been widely used by native Thai people to refer to the Chinese or Thai-Chinese in Thai community and implied as an insult for rude and loud behaviors Nowadays in Thai society, such term may not be regarded as an insult but mostly elderly who are of Chinese descents would still feel offended by being called such

- Ai Mued (ไอ้มืด)(literal meaning: Dark guy) The term has been used to refer to black or African-looking people.

Pomassawa (talk) 10:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Chernozhopy

The Russian spelling is “черножопы” (noun) or “черножопый” (adjective) but not “черножопи”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver1729 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done It is hard to confirm, but it is spelled "черножопый" on Wiktionary, so that is what I will go with. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2016

Add the slur term "Hunky". Used in the United States to refer to a laborer from Central Europe. It originated in the coal regions of Pennsylvania and West Virginia, where Poles and other immigrants from Central Europe (Hungarians (Magyar), Rusyns, Slovaks) came to perform hard manual labor on the mines. 100.11.89.215 (talk) 14:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I found that the slur has an article and so doesn't need a citation, but I found a citation anyways and added it. Thanks for bringing this up. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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This list is racist.

This list claims that racist hate words for white people are not offensive. This is racist and incorrect.

The words "pakeha", "palagi" and "honky" are just as racist as nigger or porch monkey, and are equally offensive to many New Zealanders.

Please update this list to be race neutral, so that anti white racist terms are considered as offensive as any other racisim.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.149.191.156 (talk)

OK, I have removed them and a few others. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
If you want to talk about racism, compare terms for Caucasians versus terms for other races, and see the disparity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.191.205.220 (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I've removed Pākehā, it's not an ethnic slur at all, and as per its article there is no evidence it has any derogatory connotation. It's a neutral language term. Some people have attempted false etymologies in the past to try and discredit the word, but that was based more on prejudice going the other way.Number36 (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Possible addition

The French were commonly called "six-weekers" by the Germans and others, especially during WW2.

[1] Tsot ghost (talk) 11:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion, but rsdb.com is not a suitable citation as it is self published. See WP:SELFPUBLISH. Anyone can add an entry to rsdb.com. I do not doubt that "six-weeker" was used as a slur, but I have been unable to find a citation from a reliable source to support it. Of course if it was used by the Germans, then I am sure it was said in German which per Google Translate would be something like "sechswöchigen". Since I do not speak German, I can not do a decent search for this term. Without a citation we shouldn't put this on the list. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:57, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.rsdb.org/slur/six-weeker

Ukrop

So, if someone entered "ukrop" in the list (which is... well... Ok, it is used, but maybe 2-3 years of usage should not suffice for including it, maybe it'll die as fast as it appeared...) But why then that someone did not include "vatnik"? 185.150.154.127 (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

OK! Since "Vatnik" has an article, I added it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:04, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

"Not always pejorative"

The article states at the top of the list "However the complexity of the issue of the listing and usage of such terms needs to be noted. For instance, many of the terms listed below (such as "Gringo", "Yank", etc.) are used by large numbers of human beings in many parts of the world as part of their ordinary speech or thinking without any intention of causing offence, and with little or no evidence that such usage does in fact cause much offence."

A number of entries on the list have qualifiers that add up to the word being "not always pejorative". This could be said of any word on the list. Should such statements be removed throughout the list? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Is there any situation in which "nigger" or "spic" is not offensive? Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 22:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
When the ethnic group the slur targets use it among themselves in jest. As could be said for all slurs. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 04:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, Snopes debunked the above statement. [The first recorded use of "gringo" in English dates from 1849 (when John Woodhouse Audubon, the son of the famous nature artist, wrote that "We were hooted and shouted at as we passed through, and called 'Gringoes'"), the word was known in Spanish well before the Mexican-American War. According to Rawson, the Diccionario Castellano of 1787 noted that in Malaga "foreigners who have a certain type of accent which keeps them from speaking Spanish easily and naturally" were referred to as gringos, and the same term was used in Madrid, particularly for the Irish. ] Not sure that really gets to the level of "derogatory" but thought this was worth consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.2.203.17 (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

A modest proposal: Sort terms by race?

Why not list these terms by race? This way, a racist looking for a disparaging term could find it more easily. The way the list stands now, for example, a psychotic neo-Nazi skinhead scholar in search of a pejorative term for "Jew has to scour the entire list. He has to pluck useful terms along the way and store them in his memory. In the interest of scholarship, should the terms be sorted by race? Then you could see them all at once grouped by ethnicity. This would help the Nazi skinhead and would be of service to racists everywhere who come to Wikipedia to find choice ethnic slurs. Chisme (talk) 04:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

There are separate lists for that: List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity or List of religious slurs. Your psychotic neo-Nazi skinhead scholar can go to one of thoses. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, he's not MY neo-Nazi skinhead, but I'm sure he's grateful to Wikipedia and its army of editors for doing him this good service. Chisme (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Richard-of-Earth, he was never making a serious proposal to begin with, he's just trying to be snarky and passive-aggressive because he doesn't agree with the page. See A Modest Proposal by Jonothan Swift for the cultural reference. --benlisquareT•C•E 05:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2016

Add Keling they are indians who live in malaysia


198.24.76.139 (talk) 11:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 14:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Nawar

degratory arab term for romani people (gypsies). see nawar (people) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.10.49.146 (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2016

Inbreed: used to refer to a Swiss person 213.200.203.161 (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. VarunFEB2003 I am Offline 15:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Not done: as you have not made a request in the form "Please replace XX with YY" or "Please add ZZ between PP and QQ".
More importantly you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Madrassi

What I've seen myself, South Indians are called Madrassi by people from every other region of India i.e. by Eastern Indians as well. More educated ones typically use the term 'South Indian' to refer to southern Indians but with the same level of ethnic bias. So instead of mentioning that only people from western , central and northern parts use that word, it would be nice to say 'non-Southern Indians' typically use this term--59.93.173.140 (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

You should take that up with the article Madrassi. If we change it here, it will not agree with the article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

'Gypsy'

At present the article asserts as a note on 'Gyppo, gippo, gypo, gyppie, gyppy, gipp' that "these are variations of "Gypsy"- people of Romani origin. "Gypsy" is not in itself an ethnic slur but its usage is sometimes controversial." -but the section linked to there regarding the term 'Gypsy', asserts " However, according to many Romani people and academics who study them, the word has been tainted by its use as a racial slur and a pejorative connoting illegality and irregularity,[20][21][22][23][24][25][26] and some modern dictionaries either recommend avoiding use of the word gypsy entirely or give it a negative or warning label.[27][28][29][30][31][32]" which contradicts this.Number36 (talk) 21:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I can see that. It seems the note makes that clear. What would you want to change? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:48, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add gypsy to the list. There is NO source listed to back the OPINION of the contributor who wrote that the g-word itself is not a slur. The history of the term and the history of the treatment of the Romani people and the modern-day uses of the word all point to the fact that the word is a racial slur. There is no justification for it not being on the list. How could anyone argue that derivatives of the term are racist but the term itself is not? That's a bunch of garbage. Please add gypsy to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.164.9.61 (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@Benwing: I found the edit where the comment was added by Benwing with this edit in 2012. I have reverted it as it now seems contentious. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@Richard-of-Earth: I just saw this. These other terms are indeed variations of "gypsy". In response to Number36, it's not strange for derivative words to be slurs independent of the status of the word they're derived from, cf. "Chink" (a slur) vs. "Chinese" (not a slur). As for "gypsy", word usages can change over time and things may have changed since a few years ago so I won't contest your edit. Benwing (talk) 14:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
@Benwing: I wasn't questioning that those derivatives were slurs, only the positive assertion that 'gypsy' was not since it was contradicted elsewhere.Number36 (talk) 06:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Eskimo

"Eskimo" may be pejorative in Canada, but is commonly used in Alaska by all, including Eskimos themselves, with no connotation of insult. The several etymologies and the corresponding explanations for why the word might be offensive in Canada are no more than guesswork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.85.76 (talk) 21:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2016

Chinese Auction - a word used to describe a raffle auction, but there is cause for offense and singles out one race of people 173.75.27.169 (talk) 14:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, i.e. show that it is used as a deliberate slur, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2016

Paleface - a white person. source 81.136.242.68 (talk) 03:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done, although I used a different source. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:02, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2016

Makamba: Offensive ethnic term used in Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire for those of Dutch origin. Vulecona (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Dindu

Dindu is an anti-Black slur which is short for "dindu nuffin", a phrase that implies hypocritical underaccountability among Black Americans (essentially a pseudo-AAVE version of "didn't do nothing".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.93.140.4 (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Pretty recent. See http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dindu-nuffin (not an WP:RS). http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/article_d309c3f9-792f-52dd-91ba-60ec75a25c34.html is an RS, but doesn't connect it to “dindu nuffin”. Its usage seems sparse and I would want it to enter the language a little more before listing it here. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 22:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

addition to ethnic slurs: Shit Kicker

used disparagingly by American urban dwellers to describe a cattle herder AKA "Cowboy" or cattle farmer, usually rural, uneducated Caucasians whose frequent interaction with farm animal waste was mocked.[1]MikeyUrb (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)MichaelUrb December 7, 2016MikeyUrb (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shit-kicker&page=2

Add in nazis

Add in nazis for germans and dots for indians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbahou225 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I added "dot" to the existing "Dothead" entry with a citation. I am sure "Nazis" has been on the list, but I do not know why it was removed. I would have to spend some time hunting that down before I add it again. It might have something to do with it being a political stance and would be no different then calling anyone a fascist. But it should have particular significance to Germans and so I am not opposed to it being on the list. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 11:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2016

An additional slur to add to the page. Skip – A white Australian. Mainly used by second generation Australian-Europeans as a retaliation for being referred to as ‘Wogs’ by their white counterparts. It is derived from a 1960s Australian children’s TV program which depicts the adventures of a young boy and his intuitive pet kangaroo named ‘Skippy’. Readmyname79 (talk) 01:55, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
It was on the list a few years back, but was removed due to lack of citation. I have looked for a citation myself and not found one. I am sure it has been used as a slur, but it is not a documented slur and only those get on this list. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
What about this source on Australian National University site? [1] Bazman1976 (talk) 05:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 Done, although it looks like it could be self published, but I went ahead and add it anyways. If anyone removes it, I won't contest it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 10:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://andc.anu.edu.au/australian-words/meanings-origins/s

Oven Dodger

Pejorative for a Jew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.55.137 (talk) 06:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done with a citation. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Add the following:

Guero: a white person or light-colored hispanic person, often used in a derogatory sense by american hispanics. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCero Huero: a white person or light-colored hispanic person, often used in a derogatory sense by american hispanics (see Guero)

Okie: a white person, often used in a derogatory sense; originally referring to depression-era Oklahoma dust bowl migrants. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie 38.134.106.2 (talk) 20:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2017

Please add Chukhna, there is a wikipedia article about it already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukhna 130.234.181.119 (talk) 05:48, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 09:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
The article for Chukhna mentions that it is a slur, but it is not cited. If a citation is added there or here, we can add it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Afro engineering merge

Some content currently residing at Jury rigging#Similar phrases, about "afro engineering" and "nigger rigging", should be merged to this list in some manner per Talk:Afro engineering#RfC: Where should the content of afro engineering be merged to?. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I added afro engineering with the briefest description, and linked it to jury rigging. People who want all those details can go there. We already have an entry for nigger and nigger rigging is derivative of that. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2017

The entry for Douchebag needs to be removed. Gawker is not an acceptable source, and Douchebag is a multinational term, non-slur term. In fact, there's already a conflicting definition on the site here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche#Slang_uses 2600:8800:1080:11A:902F:190E:BFBE:8044 (talk) 08:08, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done. The citation at Douche#Slang uses is no better. It was a dead link. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2017

Ponytail [Chinese] from the San Francisco Gold Rush days referred to Chinese and Japanese workers who commonly wore their hair in a Ponytail. An offensive way to refer to mostly Chinese Pvanrhee (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

 Not done, please supply a citation we can put in the article to support this entry. See WP:RS and WP:V. I took a quick look and did not find anything. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Fictional

What if the slur is fictional?-Mr. Guye (talk) 23:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Academically we would not include them. To me, the study of pejoratives is both sociological and linguistic. Both these soft sciences need to avoid speculation and fictional slurs are intrinsically speculative.Somebody just made it up based on their idea of how these things occur rather then an observation of an organic occurrence. People would also see it as WP:FANCRUFT. My first thought was you could create a category "Fictional slurs", but a fictional slur is not likely to have its own article. Any mention of a fictional slur would be only in the articles about that fictional universe. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 15:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2017

Under the definition of Klansman, the definition simply reads, "a white person." This is a gross generalization and patently offensive to me, as I am a white (caucasian) person, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the KKK. The definition would be better listed as, "a person of predominantly caucasian heritage, who associates himself/herself with the Ku Klux Klan." Gen81465 (talk) 20:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

You're offended? Welcome to the club. Chisme (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Not a slur per se. I could not find a citation for it being a slur against white people. I have removed it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2017

Cletus: White trash, inbred, southern, slack jawed yokel. One that has sex with animals.

[1] 74.73.97.20 (talk) 11:30, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Partial Source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cletus

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Murph9000 (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source (see WP:USERG). An entry in a slang dictionary would be suitable or a mention in an article where it is specifically mentioned as a slur targeted at white people. I am guessing this term originates from Cletus Spuckler and so is something recent and not likely to be found in such sources. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Boeotian

This is not an ethnic slur. In antiquity as today, it is the entirely neutral term for people of that region of Greece. Surely, the stereotype that French people are less concerned than others with physical hygiene doesn't make "French" an ethnic slur.--88.78.23.189 (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

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hoosie, a word that is pecuiar in use in st. louis missouri

the word "hoosier" particularly "south saint louis hoosier" is pecualiar in its' application in st. louis Missouri and is unknown with regard to its use outside of st. louis missouri. It is a derogatory term referring to the working class primarily but not exclusively of the german inhabitants of south st. louis. It denotes, low class, poor taste, drunkards, brawlers, pink houses, pink flamingo yard ornaments, disregard for neighborhoods property rights and peace. etc. Elaine viets of the st. louis post dispatch wrote articles with regard to this community often in her column. there has been speculation that the etymology of the word may be derived from Indiana hoosiers who had migrated from Indiana to south st. louis. however, the Indiana hoosier term does not have the derogatory connotation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.104.118 (talk) 19:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The article hoosier confirms what you say in the other uses section. But the word is not known for this use, so I am reluctant to add it. Also this is not against an ethnic, just a class of people. Not every slur in the world needs to be here. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 00:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2017

Add Xiao Riben to 'X' section ― although technically a transliteration, it doesn't fit anywhere else on this list. 2600:1700:53A0:63D0:BDBE:4E10:BBA0:8A51 (talk) 02:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Madrassi again

(Moved here from my talk page) Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

You just reverted the removal. But it's not a ethnic/racial slur and a source must mention it per WP:SYNTH. The sources you mentioned don't support it. [1] lacks mention of the term. "or 'madrasi' a term which dismissively collapses the entire southern region" is also not supporting. "thus became an insult" comes a bit close but still far from conclusion and usual meaning of the term Madrassi, that it refers to anyone[2][3][4] or anything that is from Madras.[5] Capitals00 (talk) 07:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Capitals00, the citation says insult. Obviously, the word is not always used as an insult, but was used as such enough to warrant mention in 2 (maybe 3) books. It seems the same as Yankee, but for the south of India rather then the north of the US. The article Madrassi also so said it is an insult until you changed it. I am temped to undo that, but I am willing to give it some time. Even if people embrace a name it was still originally an insult and so belongs on the list. You may if you wish copy this discussion to the talk page and we can get other opinions. Even better we could undo the changes you made to the Madrassi article and put it up for deletion. The will draw opinions as well. I am not willing to let it be removed until I see consensus. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
I can find sources for Yankee, but can't find any of Madrassi. Removing WP:OR misrepresentation of sources is completely alright. And since there is only one unreliable source from an unknown author, which says that "The name Madrasi thus became an insult, somewhat like fishwife in English or pompier in French," while other 2 source doesn't support any, it was clearly a better thing to remove it than deceiving others to think that it is a ethnic slur. Can you find the discussion before adding the term? If there wasn't any then removal and request for backing it up with more reliable sources is actually WP:BRD. Capitals00 (talk) 08:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Upon more reading, it seems that this term is now outdated[6] and the source explains the term really well, but doesn't mentions it as ethnic slur. How about you find me one source for claiming that Madrassi is an ethnic slur? You can't find any:[7] [8]Capitals00 (talk) 08:37, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
I do not need a citation. I feel the ones given are close enough. I moving the discussion to the talk page so others can give their opinion. All that said there is this that says "a term that has tended to have derogatory connotations in the pan-Indian context". Perhaps you would like to propose a change of wording for the entry. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Many more things can be considered insulting or derogatory like calling someone a dog, pig, animal. Removing the term would be correct. I am only following the rules of this article. See archived discussions[9][10], consensus shows that every non English entry requires sources "at the level of general WP:RS standards," but here none of them are found for Madrassi. A source you provided about Telemodernities/Television is unavailable for me and it only echoes the chances than support the existence. Talking of facts, Madrasi is not a derogatory term, but "a person from Madras".[11],[12][13][14] Capitals00 (talk) 04:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I feel like a broken record. The existing citations are clearly sufficient. I do not see anything in your points to change my mind. Wikipedia:Third opinion is available if you wish or Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard if you wish to have another eye on the citations. If I have the minority opinion I will back down, but keep in mind the person who put the item on the list clearly felt it belonged here and I see from the history of the article Madrassi that this is not a new argument and others support this being presented as a slur. I am open to a rewording. Of course it is not an insult when referring to a person from Madras when it was called that, but I would like to keep the entries simple and brief. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
I have requested third opinion. Capitals00 (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Do the cited sources support "It also used to make derogatory reference to south Indian dark skin colour."? Then it seems atleast reasonable to call it an ethnic slur, and not merely a generic insult. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:13, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

No it does not, and that's the issue here. Thank you for this comment. Capitals00 (talk) 16:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
That was not the issue, you have been promoting that it is not an insult at all. However, used as an insult, it insults people of South India. Per our article Ethnic group it is "a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, society, culture or nation." Skin color is moot or at least it should be. As it happens, people of South India tend to have darker skin. I can bring more citations to bear, but real life calls. See South Indian Attitudes Towards Dark Skin Is The First Frontier In Fighting Discrimination with quote tword the end "If the south wants to resist the racial profiling that has been built on the relics of the old Madrasi stereotype, they have to stop irrelevant reference to skin colour, and ridiculing themselves." Once again, I am open to rewording the entry. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Certainly it is still just inaccurately deemed as an insult by some contrary to its mainstream meaning. The Google books I provided above, they would've described the term or at least added the definition of them being ethnic slur if such meaning really existed, but they didn't. And the Huffingtonpost source you provided doesn't mentions it as "ethnic slur". If you really believe that the term concerns South India, then it would mean that it concerns over 250 million people. Sources should be very easy to gather but we don't have them. Capitals00 (talk) 04:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, what about this source? "because people from south india are no longer called madrasi, then somehow racism could not have been" and other quotes there point to the fact that the term madrasi is racist. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:09, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
That is already clarified by a source I provided above. Its usage to refer entire South India is "outdated". If it was any ethnic slur, it would be clarified by any of the millions of sources focused on the history of South India. I have removed the term from the main article now, unless someone can backup the term with reliable sources and most probably by using WP:HISTRS, not just WP:SYNTH. Capitals00 (talk) 05:17, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Are you sure it isn't outdated as in - negro used to be an acceptable term to refer to people of color but now it isn't - it's outdated. That's what it seems like to me - it used to be common to refer to south indians as madrasis, now it's considered a slur. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Outdated that people don't refer South Indians as Madrassi anymore, because Madras is now old name of Chennai. I would support inclusion only if we can use reliable source that leaves no doubt. I have searched for sources but I really find them either incomplete or very contradictory when it comes to describing the word as ethnic slur. Capitals00 (talk) 05:43, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I am alright with it for now. Perhaps someone will come along and insist it be put back. We will visit it again then. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:35, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Canucks

The archives show unanimous agreement that Canuck is not really a slur, but for some reason it's still on up there. What gives? ( SailingOn (talk) 05:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC) )

Got me, I removed it and cited the discussion. I have also added a note to discourage others from adding. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2017

Turks: Sandnigger Turk, Durk, Turd are common in internet. 94.177.73.120 (talk) 08:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Need sources for these, and "Ethnic slurs may also be produced as a racial epithet by combining a general-purpose insult with the name of ethnicity, such as "dirty Jew", "Russian pig", etc. Other common insulting modifiers include "dog", "filthy", etc. Such terms are not included in this list." Sandnigger is already there; no need to include it with turk Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2017

Add this from Ottoman Empire: As a sophisticated ruling class, the Ottomans looked down upon the Turkish peasantry, calling them Eşek Turk (the donkey Turk) and Kaba Turk (stupid Turk). Expressions like "Turk-head" and "Turk-person" were contemptuously used by Ottomans when they wanted to denigrate each other. 188.158.105.44 (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: As the page says, "Ethnic slurs may also be produced as a racial epithet by combining a general-purpose insult with the name of ethnicity, such as "dirty Jew", "Russian pig", etc. Other common insulting modifiers include "dog", "filthy", etc. Such terms are not included in this list." So stupid turk, turk-head etc shouldn't be added. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:07, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Eskimo

This is considered a slur/ derogatory toward the Inuit people. Merriam-Webster.com mentions that it is "sometimes offensive" but in Canada it is no longer used at all.

CMfick (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Inuit is considered offensive in Alaska where Eskimo is the preferred term. I think this word varies in offensiveness by region. ( SailingOn (talk) 19:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC) )

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2017

Please remove the term gora or gori as the derogatory term as it is not. It is simply a reference to the color of the skin such as Gora means a person with fair skin which is also the same that is used to call people who are fair and is not reserved for white people.

Thanks! Us1415 (talk) 02:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Upsidedown Keyboard (talk) 03:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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Patty as in Patrick

Ethnic slurs Paddy (Primarily UK) an Irishman.[227] derived from Pádraig/Patrick/Patty. Often derogatory; however, Lord Edward FitzGerald, a major leader of the United Irishmen of 1798,[228] was proclaimed by his Sister proudly "a Paddy and no more" and stated that "he desired no other title than this".[229]

Hi Folks, I am intrigued as to the inclusion of the name "Patty" in the above article. I am a proud "Paddy", my friends call me Pat. In my lifetime I never heard or came across the use of the name Patty been used in the masculine form until very recently and I am intrigued as to how this has come about.

In Ireland the names Patrick, Paddy, Pat, Padraig, Paudi, Paud or even just "P", are seen as the only acceptable use of the masculine version of the name. Whereas Patty is never used in the masculine version, been solely reserved for the feminine version Patricia.

Here in Ireland it is agreed that the use of the word "Patty" in the masculine, is an error and attributed exclusively to a person from the United States of America. A similar example been that all Irish people greet one another first thing in the morning by saying "top of the morning to you"! In all my 54 years on this planet, not one Irish person has ever greeted me in this fashion. As a matter of fact, Irish people have to stiffle a good belly laugh for fear of embarrassing the individual when greeted in this way :) .

So please Wiki people can you change this grievous error and remove Patty as it is not used in this way whatsoever. After all here in Ireland it definitely not Saint Patty's Day, it is Saint Patrick's Day, or just plain old Paddy's Day!

Many thanks for taking your time to read this. Pat Ultimate MX Fan (talk) 14:17, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

The name "patty" is not mentioned in the citation nor our article on Pádraig, so I have removed it as requested. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2018

Another example of the slang 'Paddy' - references how whites would pat and rub colored folks heads for luck. THIS is why patty was included and why it was WRONG to remove it. Paddy and Patty are variants - basically a derogatory term for whites (Irish or otherwise). The Ritty (talk) 19:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2018

The racial slur you have under the letter K you have listed Kimchi. That is wrong and is not a racial slur. That is a National Dish Of Korea that has been made probably for thousands of years. It is a staple in their daily diet as well as North & South Korea, China, & Japan. I was married to and have Korean Born & Japanese Children. Never has anyone called them Kimchi. Kimchi is fermented cabbage in Korean red pepper. It does not make sense Kimchi is something to be proud of and is believed to have healing properties for the diet. And they would be proud to be called a Kimchi if that where the case. 71.38.7.161 (talk) 22:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

There is a citation for the slur, and the Wiktionary entry (which is linked when you click "Kimchi") has some quotations of it being used in this way. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 23:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Not done: Please establish a consensus and provide reliable sources for the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 01:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Non-English terms

This is the English-langauge wikipedia. Also, wikipedia is not a dictionary.

If we allow ethnic slurs from all over the Earth and Klingon, then the list will be tens of thousands items.

Therefore I suggest to include foreign-language terms only if they have usage in English language or have English-wikipedia article. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:22, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

My edit summary got cut-off; this isn't the "List of english-language ethnic slurs". This is a list of ethnic slurs, period. Just because it is the english language wikipedia doesn't mean that ethnics slurs of other languages should be excluded. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
OF course, you are entitled to your opinion. But did you read my argument? Yeas it is named so. Originally it was only English, but nobody thought about non-English. But there are hundreds of languages. If we are going to put all slurs from all languages, the list will be huge. At least it is better to split it into English and non-English parts. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Removal of non-English entries

I would like to know why this is being done. I don't see any recent consensus to remove non-English entries. Staszek Lem is diligently removing them one-by-one. Is this a new criteria? The removed entries seem to have cites as required in the Entry Inclusion Guidelines. If we are excluding non english entries, we can just remove anything without U.S. or North America attached, no need to go one-by-one.--Auric talk 18:24, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

See above. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The guideline above states that we can have non-English slurs here. If and when the list becomes unfavorably large, then we will discuss splitting it up or narrowing the criteria. See Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 9#RFC: Change to inclusion criteria to include non-English slurs for the last discussion. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 12:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the inclusion guideline. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

"Becky" as a slur

The only source for this outrageous claim is _the daily mail_ which is not only a joke of a source, but the article is reporting on one person's opinion. lunisneko(talk) 14:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed this entry from the list. lunisneko(talk) 14:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Lunisneko: The given citation[1] Mentions as least two people, Wendy Williams and Iggy Azalea, who say it is a slur. But still that is just two people. USA Today published an article[2] that seems more in depth. Have a look and see if you think it should be put back. Also, please clarify what you think of the word. Do you think it is just slang and not a slur? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Richard-of-Earth: The USA Today article is at least less of a joke, however I think we'd be hard pressed to consider it reliable. The author has taken it upon themselves to draw a line between various Beckys throughout history to create a narrative that they're related, but how silly would it be if we took every mention in popular media of "John" and tried to create this narrative of a singular meaning based on that?
The author Cara Kelly] is an "entertainment editor" therefore not a definitive expert on etymology, ethnography, or cultural studies for controversial topics. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Well it has a while since you removed it and nobody has come by and said they miss it, so it stays out. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3566571/Wendy-Williams-says-Beyonce-s-Becky-slur-against-white-women.html
  2. ^ Kelly, Cara (27 Apr 2016). "What does Becky mean? Here's the history behind Beyoncé's 'Lemonade' lyric that sparked a firestorm". USA TODAY. Retrieved 12 January 2018.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018

Snow Nigger An ethnic slur used to describe northern Europeans as useless cave dwellers who didn't contribute to European civilization with the word nigger used to compare them to African Americans who didn't contribute to civilization at all and the word snow is used to mock their extremely light skin and years of living under the cold weather (snow). Finnsuperthe3rdking (talk) 05:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 06:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Missing Reference

Editing is broken for this article. When it is fixed, someone should include the entry "Slant" under "S". It is referenced under "Squinty":

"a person of East Asian descent in reference to the appearance of the eyes, similar to "slant"."

But there is no entry for "Slant". [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done. However I removed "Squinty" as the citation was to a chatroom. I took a quick look and did not find another citation. Let me know if there is one and I will put it back in. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ The Slants: Fighting For The Right To Rock A Racial Slur

Removal of "Yam-yam"

Yam-yam isn't an ethnic slur. Many people from the Black Country proudly label themselves as such. KieranRoper (talk) 21:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, do you have a citation? Because we have a citation that it is a slur. Black Country seems to qualify as its own ethnic. Slurs can be adopted and worn proudly by their targets, but that does not change that they are or were once a slur. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Goy is not a slur

Even the citations state that goy/goyim simply means non-jew or gentile. At the very worst it might be a word some say through gritted teeth. "For the purposes of this list, an ethnic slur is a term designed to insult others on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality" this term clearly and absolutely does not fit this definition. Having said that, I've removed this entry. lunisneko(talk) 14:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Well-referenced item restored. Yes it fits the definition. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Again, the references do not even slightly support the claim that this word is an "ethnic slur", or indeed a slur of _any kind_. Any word can be said through gritted teeth and if that's all it takes to put it in a list like this then we might as well add every word in every dictionary to it. Once again removing this section as _the sources do not support the claim that the word "Goy" is a slur of any kind_. lunisneko(talk) 20:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Please do not split hairs among synonyms. "negative connotations" is a minced way to say "insulting", i.e. it is a disparagement, i.e., a slur. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
This is not and has never been a "list of diparatements" or a "list of insults". This is a list of _racial slurs._ "Goy" does not refer to a race nor is it a slur. It is a well documented term with a specific, non-slur, meaning and has never been used as a slur. "Negative connotations" do not make a racial slur and you ought to know this. lunisneko(talk) 14:08, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes it is a list of racial slurs and yes it is a disparagement based on race/ethnicity, and is perceived as an insult no matter what you say, as documented by references, including Jewish sources. Take it to the "goy" article, where the subject must be discussed and then come back here. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Some editors keep delisting 'goy' with edit summaries like this:

13:00, 7 May 2018‎ Lunisneko (talk | contribs)‎ . . (146,610 bytes) (-1,348)‎ . . (→‎G: again, removing section where citations do not support inclusion in this list.)

In fact the citations are supplied with quotes which explicitely say "Because Jews have had so many bad experiences with anti-Semitic non-Jews over the centuries, the term "goy" has taken on some negative connotations," , to put it bluntly, the term may be used and perceived as an insult. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:46, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

An insult is in the eye of an insulted. My one Jewish friend has a running joke: "I have to say you are smart. Say, maybe you have a Jewish grand-grand-mother?" He probably means it as a jokefull of a compliment, but I see it as an insult, i.e., goyim are supposed to be dumb. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S. In the future please do not restore your changes until the issue is not resolved in the talk page; see WP:BRD. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I am on the fence about it, but I agree the it should stay on the list until the issue is discussed here. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Not here, but in Talk:Goy. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Even the Goy page itself doesn't support the idea that this is a slur. Including it here is ridiculous. lunisneko(talk) 20:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes it does support it, right in the introduction it says it may be seen as an insult in English. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Mistake

  • "Skopianoi" is not used as an insult. It just means "The people from Skopje" and is used by almost the entire Greece. Also add the word "Monkeydonians", which is used for the same people. 79.129.228.185 (talk) 01:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
"Skopianoi" is supported by a couple of citations. If you can show those citations are not valid, it can be removed. "Monkeydonians" is a general-purpose insult as you can call anyone a monkey, so we will not be listing that. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Delete "pribumi", add "non-pri"?

The current entry lists "pribumi" as a slur and cites an Indonesian government regulation banning the term. But the ban was directed at use of the term "non-pribumi". Pribumi means "Native" and was coined as a respectful term. "Non-pribumi", also "non-pri", was a slur against Indonesians of foreign descent, especially Chinese Indonesians. Atla5Atla5 (talk) 22:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Misuse of "Hispanic" in the Definition of Coconut

Coconut: "A person of Hispanic descent who is accused of acting <<white>>". Hispanic is not a race. Hispanic is any people who speaks Spanish, regardles of race. For example, Vigo Mortensen speaks Spanish. He spent his childhood in Argentina, a Latin American country where 97% of the population is descended from Europeans. Would you call Vigo Mortensen a "Coconut"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.47.57.229 (talk) 00:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Also… It's just inaccurate. I've spent my adult life in NYC and LA - both cities with large Hispanic and South Asian populations - and I've never heard "coconut" used to refer to someone Hispanic. Only South Asian people (usually by other South Asians). Viciouslies (talk) 06:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Definition removed

In[15] the definition of Pallywood was removed with the comment "Please se the top of this arrticle, which defines what is listed here.". I have looked and I don't see the problem. Please explain. Also the phrase "Sources can be mistaken quite often" is a bit worrying. // Liftarn (talk) 12:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

a list of ethnic slurs (ethnophaulisms) that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity, or to refer to them in a derogatory (that is, critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or otherwise insulting manner.
Now, Pallywood is not a reference to a "member of a given ethnicity"; it is a reference to an alleged media manipulation by some Palestinians. Similarly, "Russian mafia" is not an ethnic slur, because it is not a reference to all Russians, but to Russians involved in organized illegal activities. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
According to the source give it it indeed "used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity". // Liftarn (talk) 06:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, colleague, you are in a pitfall of formal logic. An ethnic slur may be applied to any person of given ethnicity. Whereas "Pallywood" is applied only against certain Palestinians who allegedly engage in fake news. You cannot say "Yaser Arafat is Pallywood", but you can say "Yaser Arafat is a towelhead". Staszek Lem (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
At the same time I do see a point in your position: the term "Pallywood" may be applied, pejoratively, only to Palestinians. So I guess it is a borderline case. Probably we can consider a category of terms which pejoratively refer to traits of, or activities allegedly performed (only) by, members of certain race/ethnicity (not necessarily by all). Beside Pallywood, I can think of something like African time/Colored people's time (not on our list). Staszek Lem (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
I see you point. Yes, it's a bit of a borderline issue. // Liftarn (talk) 09:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Good point. As such, I've removed "redneck," which is less a racial slur than a class/region-based one. You'd never call an upper-class white person from New York City a redneck. Viciouslies (talk) 07:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Your class or region is part of your ethnic. There are plenty of insults on the list that imply the person is poor or rural. And you might use it against a upper-class white person from New York City to imply he is something he is not to piss him off. I have restored Redneck. Get consensus to remove it since it is a part of the stable version of the article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Beni-Oui-Oui is not an ethnic slur

Beni-Oui-Oui was used by Arab Algerians towards other Arab Algerians to criticize them for their unconditional approval of the French occupier and mixes the Arabe "Beni" and the French "oui". Roughly translating to "child that says yes". Currently this term is still used in French to designate someone who approves hierarchical decisions without question. A similar term in english would be a "brown-nose" or "brown-noser". [1]

O emiller (talk) 16:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I removed it. I could not find a citation that contradicts what you said. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 02:50, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.jacqueslanciault.com/2011/03/19/mot-du-jour-beni-oui-oui/

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2018

add "regardless of race" after "In Mexico only means an American" in the gringo area.

"Pocho / pocha" does not mean "a person of Mexican heritage who is partially or fully assimilated into American culture." It means "a person of Mexican heritage who was born in the US." 2601:647:8200:7370:69B2:7526:ACC6:26FD (talk) 07:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable reference for this change. Fish+Karate 09:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
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