Talk:List of fascist movements by country U–Z

Modern BNP

There is debate as to weather the modern BNP, especially since Nick Griffin took over, is really "Fascist" in the strictest sense of the word. But as these lists seem to contain all of the far-right parties, as most people's interpretation of "Fascism" is a totalitarian racist (or "ethno-nationalist", heh) movement, i suppose they fit. There is also a new fascist party in the UK called the British Fascist Society which only started in 2007 and which follows the ideals of original Italian fascism 82.153.230.130 (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Fascist as an Ideology

I need to state that Fascism is an actual Ideology, and not simply a name to call someone! Too many times over the course of any week in any media the term Fascist is looked as an epiphet, and not as an Ideology! Fascism is an actual Ideology, part of Third Position, followed by many, and should be looked at just as Communism, Toaism, Islam, Democracy, Nazism, Wicca, Odinism, whatever, just as they are looked at...! Americans need to stop being so bloody emotional about things and start to look at Nazism and Race and whatever with a logical mind!! Someone out there shall believe in whatever, so get used to it!!

White Nationalists and Fascism

This article basically lists every major pro-white organization in the United States as fascist, regardless of whether they are or not. Many of these groups are not fascist at all, some even support capitalism or other forms of government rule. This article misleads readers about what fascism is and who supports it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leastdream (talk • contribs) 18:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Libertarian National Socialist Green party

The LNSGP also has aspects of Green politics. Do any other Wkipedians think this should be used as a description? Bobsmithsmith

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I have twice deleted File:Flag of National Front.svg from the British National Front entry on the basis that it may be bogus. There is no evidence, either here or in National Front (UK), that this flag has been used by the NF. The National Front (UK) article says 'the NF sought to conceal connections with older fascist movements', making it unlikely that they would use a flag with clear Nazi iconography. There is a real possibility that the NF's opponents have used this flag to indicate links between the NF and German Nazism. I will remove this flag again, please do not restore it without adding a source or discussing it here. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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May I suggest the British Conservative party is now added to the list?

the Conservative party is meeting an increasing list of signifiers of fascism 213.135.203.150 (talk) 07:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

The place to raise this is at Talk:Conservative Party (UK), where you have already posted, and/or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, where there was recently a brief discussion at §British Conservative Party labelled as Fascist. For inclusion in this list we would need reliable sources that say that the party had become a fascist movement, not just that it was 'meeting an increasing list of signifiers'. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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Suggestion for the removal of Trumpism

Trumpism should be removed from this list because

A: Trumpism is not its own party, but rather an ideology, Putinism could also be arguably considered Fascist, yet it is not listed because it is an ideal, whether or not his party is Fascist is a separate issue, however

B: Of the 5 sources that are used of references:

[6] (List of fascist movements by country U–Z#cite note-:0-6) is inaccessible

[8] (https://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/26/11/2020/noam-chomsky-trump-has-revealed-extreme-fragility-american-democracy) does not mention Fascism, I cannot find it on a list of reliable sources although I will give it the benefit of the doubt

[9] (https://theintercept.com/2020/09/27/trump-supporters-fascism-election/) According to this List, a consensus exists that although The Intercept is a bias source, even if it is reliable, if it is bias, and according to guidelines, an in text citation is at the minimum needed

[10] (https://www.vox.com/22225472/fascism-definition-trump-fascist-examples) Within the source their are dissenting views, with the view that he is a fascist being cherry picked, ignoring those opposing him, although, Vox is reliable

[11] (https://www.newsweek.com/robert-paxton-trump-fascist-1560652) According to the Reliable Sources List, consensus needs to be achieved on a case by case basis to determine its reliability.

C: Dissenting sources

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21521958/what-is-fascism-signs-donald-trump with a consensus among 8 experts. Also according to this list, Vox is reliable

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-10-02/obama-wasnt-socialist-trump-not-fascist Once again another reliable source

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/donald-trump-fascist/424449/ Another reliable source

LsrKwi (talk) 03:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)