Talk:List of languages by number of native speakers in India/Archive 1

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recognized Languages

Shouldn't the list also indicate the recognised languages of India? Kartheeque 04:09, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

I've added links to articles with the appropriate information. VV 17:25, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

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http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/dec/13india.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.212.148 (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2004 (UTC)

merge with Languages of India, no need to have two separate articles on this. dab (ᛏ) 11:33, 28 Dec 2004 (CUT)

I thought English was spoken by a substantial number of people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.140.116 (talk) 22:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

why discriminate?

Why should languages like Telugu, Tamil have a Dravidian tag?

It is better to remove those 'tags'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.53.35 (talk) 09:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it hurts to have those tags. More information is never a bad thing, in my opinion. Maybe such tags should be added to all of the languages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantumphool (talk • contribs) 19:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Conflict with "List of languages by number of native speakers"?

It seems to me that the numbers that are presented here conflict with those that are presented in List of languages by number of native speakers. Any ideas on these conflicts can be reconciled?

Some has manipulated those numbers on this page recently, and the order doesnt seem to match that present in the CIIL website. I have corrected them.

Thanks, you're right - some anon changed the numbers awhile back. --Khoikhoi 00:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone again changed the numbers - I have reverted back. --Nitin 20:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Updated population

Looks like the info on this page is population around 1997. Can someone find updated population numbers as of 2005/2006

Dinesh Kannambadi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dineshkannambadi (talk • contribs) 22:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Article move and the total number of speakers

I moved the article from "List of Indian languages by total speakers" to "List of Indian languages by number of native speakers" because the figures given are for the number of native speakers, not total speakers, which includes native speakers and those who have learned it as a second (or higher order) language. However, I think it would be nice to have a list of languages by total number of speakers. A list by the number of second language speakers might be good, too. If one or more of those lists are created, I suggest putting them on this page and renaming the article "List of Indian languages by number of speakers". This is slightly different than the original name. -- Kjkolb 15:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Changes without explanation, other problems

After I moved this article, I put it in my watchlist. When checking out an edit, I found that people, including registered users, having been changing the numbers in the tables without explanation. 1991, the date of the source currently used, was a long time ago and it might be desirable to use multiple sources rather than one so dated. However, you must give the name of the source if you are going to change the numbers. Also, the source must be reliable. For now, I put back the numbers from the listed source. I decided to be consistent and use three significant digits. Also, they have been rounded rather than just leaving the additional figures off. Finally, there is the issue of the Dogri language. It is in the table, but it is not listed in the source because it was not a scheduled language at the time, 1991. This, of course, means that the figure given is from another source. It also does not have three significant digits and is probably from a later time than the other figures. I have no knowledge of this subject, so this will be the end of my involvement. If you wish to contact me, you may use my talk page. However, it may take a while for me to reply because I do not edit every day. -- Kjkolb 14:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

expand list

we should expand this list to at least the 114 languages listed in the 1991 census, and if possible to the full 415 of SIL. this will mean that we list those SIL languages subsumed under another langauge in the census in the pertinent table row (maybe do a separate "includes" column for that) dab (𒁳) 09:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ethnologue list (by name)

Ethnologue list (by speakers)

missing languages

Where is the Maithili language? It's one of the official languages, and has more than 40 million speakers. Are they all non-native? Similarly other Bihari languages, such as Bhojpuri? Something is wrong here. dab (𒁳) 09:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the state-wise statistics which for Bihar list Hindi (81%), Urdu (10%) and Santhili (3%), my guess is that the Bihari languages are clubbed as dialect of Hindi. Abecedare 09:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

this is madness. They recognize the language as an "official language of the 8th Schedule" and then they don't even list it as separate from Hindi in the census? We need to make this clear, both at Bihari languages and at Hindi. Bihari is Eastern Indic (like Assamese or Bengali which are not subsumed under "Hindi"). Hindi claims to be about a Western Hindi Central zone language: at the same time claiming 337M speakers (which apparently include 150M or so Bihari speakers) seriously messes up our statistics. dab (𒁳) 09:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The Maithili article says (unfortunately without reference), "Maithili has been considered a dialect of both Hindi and Bengali, and in fact was classified as a mother tongue of Hindi in the Census of India. In 2003 Maithili gained the status of an independent language in India. A movement to give the language official status through inclusion in the Eighth Schedule of the Indian Constitution so that it may be used in education, government, and other official contexts, resulted in Maithili being given official status in 2003." That would explain both the 1991 results and the 8th schedule listing. It will also mean that the 2001 census won't necessarily remedy the situation. Abecedare 10:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

yes -- nobody ever said counting languages was easy :) As soon as we have the 2001 data, we'll have to reconsider. For now, we just need to make clear what is included in which numbers, both here and on Hindi. dab (𒁳) 11:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Beary bashe

Beary bashe is spoken by a large number of Beary community in Tulunad and other places. But it is not included in this list. Please help. Abushahin (talk) 08:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

this is included in the Malayalam figure. All of the major languages consist of lots of dialects added together. dab (𒁳) 11:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Maithili

Maithili (a Bihar language) was included under Hindi dialects in 1991, but is listed separately in 2001. This should be pointed out. Also, is the "Hindi dialects" figure of 2001 including Maithili (as indicated by the footnote)? If so, the 12 million Maithili speakers are counted twice over in the 2001 column. --dab (𒁳) 11:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Data on No. of Speakers

Now since the 2001 census data are available it is better to update the data in the article

--K N Unni (talk) 11:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

indeed. where is the 2001 data available? dab (𒁳) 11:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

2001 data is available at http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/Statement1.htm 64.81.245.109 (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
And why this page says me: "You are not authorized to view this page" (as any at www.censusindia.gov.in)? It there any trick in viewing their pages? --Koryakov Yuri (talk) 11:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Strange... it was working when I posted the link. 64.81.245.109 (talk) 02:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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