Talk:List of maritime disasters in the 20th century

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Sewol[edit]

Hey guys, there is a 'Sewol' disaster here, in 2014. please fix it. i won't even log in to do it :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.252.225.142 (talk) 21:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

USS Sultana[edit]

How in the name of the LORD was this missed? Towards the end of the American Civil War a boiler exploded and in a nutshell about 1800 people died. It's obviously, or so it seems, not a "notable" maritime disaster - as the USS Sultana's tragedy was overshadowed by another major tragic event in American history that had just happened - but it WAS the biggest US maritime disaster of all. As far as American history goes, it didn't happen in "peacetime" nor did it occur because of friendly or enemy fire but it very well needs to be mentioned.shyjayb 10:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyjayb (talk • contribs) Okay I see it but how was this not EMPHASIZED more? Very confusing and misleading front headlines on this whole article.shyjayb 21:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyjayb (talk • contribs) [reply]

  • She was the SS Sultana, not the USS Sultana, and the Civil War had already ended when she exploded. 69.165.138.65 (talk) 08:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The caveat is noted; I've added an entry for this ship as it is a pretty major incident. And I've added a few more that seem to be missing. Xyl 54 (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Minimum" number of lives lost[edit]

Here I am again, as I would like to suggest a change in the minimum number of deaths for a disaster to be included in the list. While 30 can be a reasonable number for peacetime losses, it is not for wartime ones. Look at the WWII section: for example, most of the German, Soviet, British, Italian, Japanese, American etc. submarines lost were sunk with more than 30 victims; we're talking about hundreds of submarines, which will be difficult to include in the list. Same goes for merchant ships: we can literally lose count of all the merchants sunk during WWI and WWII with more than 30 dead each. So, I propose to raise the 'minimum' for wartime losses from 30 to 100 deaths, while leaving it at 30 for peacetime disasters.--Olonia (talk) 10:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers alone aren't the whole story. Note there's a disaster with 0 casualties listed. I'd include the Edmund Fitzgerald at 29 casualties because it is historically significant to the Great Lakes and related transport.Mzmadmike (talk) 06:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Flags of Germany[edit]

This might be a silly question, but why is the World War II list using two different flags of Nazi Germany ( Nazi Germany and  Nazi Germany)? What is the difference? -- Metrophil44 (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd think the template coding might give you a clue ;) The second flag is the ensign used for commissioned warships of the Kriegsmarine - the other is the national flag used for civilian vessels like the Wilhelm Gustloff. Parsecboy (talk) 10:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article split[edit]

The article has been split by centuries into the following.

The only thing that needs to be decided on is the pre-18th century entries that are still on the 20th century page.Shinerunner (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Moved pre-18th century entries to List of maritime disasters page which is now a link page along with moving World War II entries to List of maritime disasters in World War II along with providing links on each new page with the other related pages. Shinerunner (talk) 21:56, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking of refugee boats in the Mediterranean[edit]

in 2015 two refugee boats sank in the Mediterranean with each about 600 victims. I added them to the disaster list. Why were they removed ?? Tavernsenses (talk) 14:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The entries should be on the List of maritime disasters in the 21st century page.Shinerunner (talk) 10:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sewol[edit]

The MV Sewol disaster has been removed from this page since it happened in 2014 (the 21st century) and this page talks about 20th century ship disasters. Xylo 16:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)Xylo Comment added by Xylo12 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC) Xylo 16:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why are Stockholm casualties excluded from Andrea Doria collision[edit]

46 were killed on the Andrea Doria, but 5 more on the Stockholm were lost, all from the collision. Excluding those numbers seem to make the disaster solely focused on the Doria. It's misleading to discount the casualties on the colliding ship as well. The death count should be 51 in all. IViking (talk) 18:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Halifax Explosion was during wartime.[edit]

The Halifax Explosion was during wartime - WWI. Halifax was very much involved in the war, convoys would gather in the large harbour and embark for Europe, bringing arms and relief supplies. U-boats were active in the waters just off Halifax, U-156 in particular. The Halifax Explosion is very much the result of Halifax being a city at war - "Mont-Blanc was under orders from the French government to carry her cargo of high explosives from New York City via Halifax to Bordeaux, France."[[1]] MikeyMoose (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to express this very point. The Halifax explosion was a wartime disaster. I'm going to go ahead and move it. EDIT: the text for the peacetime section includes: "Some of the disasters below occurred in periods of conflict, although their losses were unrelated to any military action." I will criticize the section title, but it seems that it would include the Halifax explosion, which didn't involve direct military action. 68.48.107.79 (talk) 00:34, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

minimum 30 and Falklands War[edit]

Apparently the minimum number of casualties to be included on this list is 30 - how was this decided? The article intro mentions nothing about it. As a result of this number, all British losses during the Falklands War are excluded. HMS Sheffield had 20 casualties, HMS Coventry 19, HMS Ardent 22, and HMS Antelope 2. And although RFA Sir Galahad was sunk the following day by HMS Onyx, her casualties totaled 48. If we're going to have specific parameters for this list, they should be stated at the beginning of the article. Elsquared (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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ship missing[edit]

Costa Concordia, ITA, 32 victims (cruise ship)

bye

Alex

My mistake, can be removed, was 2005

"Country" column[edit]

There needs to be an explanation somewhere of the "country" column. It could mean the location of the accident (in which in some cases there would not be any country), the registry of the ship, or the ownership of the ship; and if it's based on the ship, what about collisions of two or more ships? My inclination would be to show the location (and if it's different, the country that would be the location today), but I'll leave that question up to whoever decides to clean this up./

In addition, there is no reason whatever for the country names to be decorated with flags. This is not a list of sports triumphs or something. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 04:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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high fatality count in a ship wreck[edit]

Shouldn't MS Wilhelm Gustloff be at the top of the list with its estimated 9,000 lives lost? Fro reference see, e.g. https://www.britannica.com/list/7-of-the-worlds-deadliest-shipwrecks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.96.230 (talk) 13:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ferry Neptune[edit]

A semi-prominently blogger laments the Ferry Neptune doesn't have it's own article: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/06/sunday-assorted-links-369.html Samw (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anna C. Minch[edit]

Why not included here? Drsruli (talk) 01:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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