Talk:List of metropolitan areas in Europe/Archive 2

Title's wrong

It isn't a List of metropolitan areas in Europe by population, it's just a list in alphabetical order with the population here as well. Should it be changed? Anoldtreeok (talk) 08:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Istanbul

Nonsense. TURKEY IS NOT A EUROPEAN COUNTRY, ISTANBUL MUST BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS PAGE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.36.205 (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Istanbul, historically Constantinople - capital of the Byzantine Empire, lies in Eastern Thrace, part of Thrace, once part of Ancient Greece, and thus Europe; though the rest of Turkey may not be European, Istanbul is in this regard. 08OceanBeach^S.D. 07:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing MEGAs

Why some of metropolitan areas from the ESPON project are missing, if it is taken for the base of the article? Those are Venice, Nice, Hanover, Florence etc. --Sinissa (talk) 11:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

No Ankara or Izmir?

I noticed that neither Ankara nor Izmir is on this page, even though their populations are 4.5 million and almost 4 million respectively, not to mention Adana or Bursa. If Turkey is considered European according to the EU website and if this list includes Yerevan,Tbilisi, Ufa and Baku which have absolutely no territory in what is considered the European continent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe then I find it hard to believe that the Turkish cities are not mentioned. Besides, the former Soviet cities I mentioned are further east than all of Turkey anyway. --Fah112778 (talk) 15:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Polycentric Metropolitan Area Section

What is this section for it seems to me to be a list of Metro areas from the ESPON source which have been decided are polycentric. In the source it shows sub-pools within polycentric metropolitan areas it seems only these are in this section plus London (which the source states is polycentric but says it cant go on about the subpools) in any case this section appears to be incomplete and only shows polycentric metropolitan areas with populations over 4 million. So either it should state that it only shows ones over 4 million or the section should be completed. Eopsid (talk) 14:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I have gone and updated this section so it now shows all polycentric metro areas with populations over 3 million. Eopsid (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessarily. Primitively list showed the 10 largest polycentric metropolitan areas and it was good. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I dont agree I would consider any polycentic metropolitan area with a population over say a million as major and notable enough to be in that section. Eopsid (talk) 19:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

One million? This will be a loooong list. Subtropical-man (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It's only at 15 with three million, the source used for this section only shows EU countries, im not planning on expanding it anytime soon. The list shows no non european union countries and it didnt before added those five other ones should this issue be rectified or is there simply not enough data for tha to be feasible. Eopsid (talk) 13:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

A new Section with a fast list ranked after size

We need a new Section with a fast list ranked after size, as it is now you has to use a long time to make a sense out of the largest cities when it is listed alphebetical, people dont know what to look after, Moscow or Istanbul or London Paris, we need to make it simple and clear ranked after size, lets keep the alphebetical list, but lets make a new section with ranked after size. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.107.202 (talk) 10:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Off course we should ranked it after size, and not only alphebetical, its to confusing, and it is hard to get a overview, as in most list in wikipedia it should be ranked after size like this list over the largest US metropolitan areas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas its fast to get a overview over the largest areas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.155.232.79 (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Urban Audit is not the defined metropolitans in EU, they are only larger urban zones.

We need to remove the Urban Audit from Eurostat and replaced it with figures from this link http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/region_cities/metropolitan_regions/data_metro/database_sub3 Eurostats metropolitan regions in the EU are the true defined metropolitan areas in EU, and not Urban Audit, which is the larger urban zone and much smaller in size and population. Lactasamir (talk) 12:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The Urban Audit LUZ is fundamentally the same as these metropolitan regions in concept. However, LUZs use local authority units as the building blocks while the Eurostat metro regions use NUTS-3 units as building blocks. However, I do agree that these metro regions are better for the article as these would make them comparable to U.S. metropolitan statistical areas which use the same level of building blocks. We should go ahead and replace the Urban Audit data with the Eurostat metro regions. --Polaron | Talk 13:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

More columned sources needed

Ladies and gentlemen, we need to add more columns dedicated to RS, or to replace one or two existing. Currently, 3 out of 5 source-columns cover only EU and/or OECD countries, which represent minority of Europe's urban population centers. As the result, rows for continent's largest metro areas like Istanbul or Moscow are half-empty and confusing with that "No data" indication(

Ideally, we may find an RS concerned with the whole Europe (like one of the UN databases). But a column dedicated to non-uniform national sources for each country would also do. In that case, a "Year of data" column may be needed as well. Wishes, Ukrained2012 (talk) 00:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Metro regions, Eurostat and the prohibition to link archives

The link to Eurostat metro regions is dead. Here's the original archive http://www.archive.today/eYnVU#selection-17215.1-17215.10 but wikipedia doesn't allow to use it as a source. By the way, why does Eurostat produce tons of data and then hide them? --Conte di Cavour (talk) 11:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

OECD

How can OECD be considered a reliable source, when they list the metropolitan population of London as 7,4 million, while Greater London only has a population of 8,4 million and the London Urban Area has a population of 9,7 million. I have never heard of that metropolitan area population could be smaller than urban area population. Metropolitan area populations could be smaller than the administrative city population in some cases (but not London) where the the administrative cities include large rural areas, however urban area is always by definition larger than metropolitan area. Seriously, this is quite outrageous.... --Ransewiki (talk) 11:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Also look at German metropolitan areas. How can Hamburg suddenly have a 6 million metropolitan population with OECD, while the other sources highest figure is only about 3 million. So with OECD it just magically doubles?? Also look at Frankfurt, the same thing. And I think the figures for Rhein Nord, Rhein Sud and Ruhr are duplicated because it seems highly unlikely that they all 3 would have a population of 13,4 million, I think the 13,4 million means the all three in total. The same problem is with the Dutch metropolitan areas, they too list the hole polycentric metropolitan area population for all three, otherwise it would be very weird that London has a smaller population of the Hague or Amsterdam...Ransewiki (talk) 11:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Istanbul

Istanbul article says that a third of its population is in Asia. And, this list is "List of metropolitan areas in Europe", so I think only 2/3 of the citys population should be counted in this list. 82.141.95.20 (talk) 18:30, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Istanbul is part of the Middle East but you are right it is not fully part of mainland Europe. But then some other cities in the list too are not even partiality part of mainland Europe including London (which is not even part of the wider mainland Eurasia). Khestwol (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

However what Europe encompasses only depends on the definition being used. Some sources do consider Anatolia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Georgia, etc. as within Europe while some do not even consider the British Isles to be within Europe. Khestwol (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Is Citypopulation.de really WP:RS

We list several different data sets in the article, all of which easily satisfy WP:RS, with the exception of Citypopulation.de. From what I can gather, this is the personal project of one Thomas Brinkhoff and, as such, does not meet the WP:RS standards. I suggest it be removed, especially as we have good, relevant sources already. Jeppiz (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Not much activity today. I'll wait a few days, then remove Citypopulation unless of course it is shown to satisfy WP:RS.Jeppiz (talk) 01:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree and support removing this data, especially since it is data based on the notion of an urban agglomeration, not a metropolitan area. I suggest removing the WUP data (which is outdated anyway) for the same reason. I would also recommend updating the OECD data based on its current definition of metropolitan areas (which it calls "functional urban areas") published in 2012. Cobblet (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

This list is useless

The biggest city in Europe, Moscow, with 16 million inhabitants isn't included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.66.241 (talk) 00:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Very low quality article, remove or complete rewrite

As pointed and suggested in other comments, the quality of the article is low, and its utility is questionable. A main problem is that some or many (large) metropolitan areas are not mentioned at all. I looked at the Wikipedia article on largest cities in Europe, and then this one, and these two articles strongly conflict with each other. In the largest cities in Europe there are for example Moscow and Saint Petersburg in the top 10, but they are not even mentioned as a metropolitan area in this list. The explanation cannot be that "this article is based on data provided by XXX and YYY". If XXX and YYY provide data that do not match the title of the article, that data has to be obtained from somewhere else, or if it cannot be obtained from anywhere else, some comparable data must be included, or at a minimum, it has to be explained why lots of large metropolitan areas are not included. My very cursory observation of the list suggests that what is now the top 20 metropolitan areas w.r.t. population, should include maybe 20 further large metropolitan areas. Before this is fixed, the article is too poor quality to be included in Wikipedia. Immediate action is required! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.97.85 (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Gothenburg?

Where is Gothenburg, shouln't be added to this list? Gothenburg metropolitan area has a population of 1,015,974 inhabitans. Marko75 (talk) 22:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)