Talk:List of national independence days/Archive 2

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Albania

I'd suggest a small change on the article related to Albania, November 28 (1912). November 28th for Albania is known as the Flag Day (Albanian: Dita e Flamurit) and not Independence day. November 28 1912 is the Albanian Declaration of Independence from Ottoman Empire, technically not the Independence Day. The Independence of the new Albanian state was established by London Conference on 30 May 1913.Mondiad (talk) 22:04, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Column names

Re: [1]. I changed the names of the columns to reflect the most common practice, and did some minor copyedits to standardize the entries. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Rename the article

This list is encyclopedically meaningless as long as it is limited to independence days. It's impossible to clearly classify and define the scope, as is clear from this discussion. The simplest solution is to rename it National Days, include one official day per country, and mention why that is the National Day for that country (be it independence or the storming of the Bastille). --Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 23:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

No need to rename. We already have an article on National Day. Dbfirs 06:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Erronous image annotation

The image annotation says that dark green means countries that have an independence-related national day. That is not correct if you look at the map. What it means is that those countries have an independence day, but that independence day is not necessarily their national day. Case in point: Denmark. --Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 23:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Denmark looks grey on my screen, but it's not very clear. There is no intended indication that Grundlovsdag is celebrated as a national day. (Perhaps we could ask the creator of the image to re-phrase the caption to avoid the word "National", but I can't see anything wrong.) Dbfirs 23:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hungary does NOT celebrate an "Independence Day"

Please don't conflate Independence (from another country) and the foundation of the Kingdom of Hungary (11th century). The two are distinct concepts. Hungary did not become "independent" from any other state by the foundation of the Kingdom of Hungary. It WAS already independent, but constituted a principality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.53.245 (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Map

The colours of the map aren't clear. The Grey for no independance/national day is basically indistinguishable fron the dark green. Red would be better — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.112.85 (talk) 12:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Portugal's Independence Day

Portugal's independence day is currently listed as December 1, 1143. The correct date should be December 1, 1640, when it regained its independence from Spain. I honestly haven't cited sources on here before, so I'm not sure what qualifies as a valid source, given that any source purporting to provide information about something that happened almost 400 years ago is almost certainly hearsay. That having been said, here a few: um dois três

See also Portuguese_Restoration_War. Theophi1os (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done --Danski454 (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

France

The Independence Day for France is July 14, 1789, also known as Bastille Day for French National Day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz H Ross (talk • contribs) 16:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

That date is certainly celebrated in France as an important day in their history, but the country was independent long before then. I think it belongs in List of national days. Dbfirs 16:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

philippines moved it back to july 4th

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Day_%28Philippines%29 just see (also it says so on wiki article) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.255.11.82 (talk) 14:03, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Reverted. The national holiday falls on the date that the national government says that it does. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 17:01, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Australia - Doesn't belong

The lead says "An Independence Day is an annual event commemorating the anniversary of a nation's independence". To my knowledge, there are no "events" of any kind ever held on the date shown as Australia's Independence Day. It's not a holiday of any kind. It's purely the anniversary of a date randomly chosen by legislators of the time for implementation of the legal aspects of a couple of acts of parliament. This had no practical impact on the lives of any ordinary Australian. (It might have impacted the roles of a handful of lawyers.) Most Australians would not even know these acts existed.

Australia never had a war of any kind or anything similar to separate itself from its colonial masters, so no other date exists that would fit in this article either.

Australia does not belong in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 00:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Ip removals

Dear Ip,

please explain and gain consensus before any recurrent removals. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2020

Add UK independence from EU 31/01/2020 185.154.50.6 (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

The UK was already independant, and in any case the UK does not celebrate this day as an independance day. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Ireland

What's the consensus on Ireland? Looking at the Public holidays in the Republic of Ireland page, it appears that Easter Monday de facto serves as their Independence Day. I just find it odd that Ireland doesn't have an entry on this list. 2600:8800:5100:38E:4C9C:D98E:ED52:8068 (talk) 04:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Did you miss "Proclamation of the Irish Republic commencing the Easter Rising on April 24, 1916. Independence from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland."? Is it more common to celebrate this on Easter Monday rather than the exact date? Dbfirs 07:18, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Guess I miss that section. But back to my point, looking at the Ireland section in the Easter Monday (which I admit it isn't source) it does appear that they, yes they do celebrate the day as their own independence day.
I just find it weird that Ireland, one of the many countries that had a war of independence, doesn't have a entry on this list. 2600:8800:5100:38E:44D9:1CDF:82A1:80D6 (talk) 09:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Nothing weird! The entry is under Republic of Ireland, since Ireland is an island. Dbfirs 20:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Huh. Guess I didn't see that. My bad. 2600:8800:5100:38E:44D9:1CDF:82A1:80D6 (talk) 02:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
That's OK. (I'm glad you weren't making a political point.) I've added a note that the independence is usually celebrated on Easter Monday. Thank you for pointing that out. Dbfirs 19:10, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
There is no celebration or holiday for Irish independence and there is even debate on when or how it should be marked (https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/when-is-ireland-s-independence-day-1.4695153 https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/on-irelands-independence-day-we-must-all-commit-anew-to-the-necessary-work-of-peacekeeping-41242031.html). The Easter rising, previously cited as Ireland's independence day is not applicable as it is commemorated as a rising, not independence Bringob (talk) 10:01, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Britain's 'independence' from the E.U.

Over the past week, there's been a lot of back-and-forth on whether the 23rd June 2016 counts as Britain's independence day. While the British electorate did vote to leave the E.U. on that day, and a number of media sources and politicians have dubbed that date as Britain's 'independence day', I don't think it should be listed here for three main reasons.

First, the United Kingdom (in all its forms from 1801 and 1927 onwards) has always been an independent and sovereign state. The E.U. (in all its forms) has never been considered as a sovereign state - it is an international organisation and has never been formally recognised as a sovereign entity in its own right. As such, Britain's decision to leave the E.U. does not count as an example of, to quote this article's introduction, "a nation's independence or statehood, usually after ceasing to be a group or part of another nation or state".

Second, the United Kingdom has not yet triggered Article 50 and is therefore still a full member state of the E.U for approximately two more years. It's also worth noting that the outcome of this referendum is not legally binding or set in stone; the United Kingdom may eventually end up remaining part of the E.U. if Parliament blocks withdrawal or a second referendum is held.

Third, there is no official recognition of the 23rd June as a national independence day. One user has provided a number of sources which dub the 23rd June as an 'independence day', but these are all opinion pieces and political quotes from campaigners in the 'Leave' campaign. not statements of nationwide recognition or celebration. It may well be the case that the 23rd June eventually does receives official recognition as an 'independence day', but we seem to be jumping the gun by listing it now.

Given that there have been a number of conflicting edits recently, it might be an idea to discuss this further and come to a consensus decision. What do people think? Eloquai 12:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eloquai (talk • contribs)

Well said. I completely agree with your analysis. Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. The UK has never been dependent on the EU. Please remove the silly additions. Dbfirs 10:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Anon editor 81.157.126.65 persists in adding the claim. I suggest the following analogy: If I am a member of a golf club which has strict rules on clothing and behaviour on the course, I might be willing to conform for the benefits of being able to play on that course, but if the club starts making rules about how I should act in my own house, then I would leave the club and might joke about regaining my independence. I would not, however, consider that I had ever been dependent on the club except for playing the game, and I would not celebrate my "independence day" in the same way that I celebrate my birthday. Please can we stop adding silly claims to the article against the consensus here? Dbfirs 20:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
In addition, the UK has not even given notice yet that it intends to leave, and the leave process is likely to take up to two years. Wikipedia does not predict the future. Dbfirs 20:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
There is still major trolling going on in this case on the page. I will call for protection for this page, maybe the trolls will learn their lesson then. BasFey (talk) 15:45, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Given the UK now leaving tomorrow. It's only correct that we add the official leaving date in. But place a reference to the actual vote to leave. JordanH-UK (talk) 10:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I also like to add to the argument about it not "dependent" on the EU. This would call into question whether or not Scotland or Wales "Independence" would be added if they ever vote to leave the United Kingdom. With the same logic you all seem to be making. As both Scotland and Wales both have a legal mechanism to leave the United Kingdom. That would mean there are not "dependent" on the UK. I'm a unionist and would hope that this great union would carry of into the next millennium. But I would still class England, Scotland, wales, or Nothern Ireland leaving the "UK" as independence. NI would be kinda confusing as it then questions a which day would be a united Ireland "Independence day" none the less.

This means any country leaving the EU as it's now has a Flag, like the UK. With an "national" anthem like the UK and the ability to set laws. Have it's own foreign policy and soon to be army. Should be treated the same as leaving the UK.

Overall Wikipedia should remain politically neutral and therefore the UK should be included on the list as the date people will be celebrating leaving. If in the future government declare a bank holiday for independence then we should adjust the date accordingly. JordanH-UK (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I hope you understood that national days are presented in this article...(KIENGIR (talk) 17:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC))
Quoting from the lead section of this article: "independence day is an annual event commemorating the anniversary of a nation's independence " [...] "Most countries observe their respective independence days as national holidays." I don't think this article ought to list this unless Britain declares annual event commemorating it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I was looking at this part "Most countries observe their respective independence days as national holidays." The UK government complains it's already for too many bank holidays. Chances are no more bank holidays will be given as Businesses don't like it. As it states "most" should we have a hard fast rule that states all must be a national holiday? Otherwise if people celebrate they independence, surely that comes under this section? JordanH-UK (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

"Independence" here is a subjective matter, "Brexit Day" is not officially a recognised national day by the government, nor by the Prime Minister himself. Wikipedia does not entertain subjective matters nor disputed facts. Therefore I'd recommend gaining a considerable consensus on this issue before posting it. Aswin8 (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I am aware that this thread is old now, but I was thinking, why not put parts of the UK as red? All the constituent countries have their own national days (but only Scotland and NI have a national holiday on those days), usually relating to the birthday of a saint. St Patrick’s Day for NI (shared with Ireland) St Andrew’s Day for Scotland St David’s Day for Wales St George’s Day for England Iain Turpie (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:11, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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