Talk:List of people on the postage stamps of Ireland

John Hurt

Hi, the actor on the 1996 "The Field" stamp that you haven't named is John Hurt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.24.10 (talk • contribs)

I have added this ref to the page. Thanks ww2censor 04:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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Article name

I moved this article back to List of people on stamps of Ireland . I also have blocked future moves for 24 hours. Please discuss here any suggestions or ideas for or oppositions to article name changes. Kingturtle (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought Domer48 moved it back. Mooretwin (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Domer48 moved it to List of people on stamps in Ireland, not to the original List of people on stamps of Ireland. Kingturtle (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Mooretwin (talk) 16:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, the name should change as to List of people on stamps of the Republic of Ireland as the current name is potentially misleading. The article relates only to stamps of the Republic of Ireland - its remit does not extend to the whole of Ireland. Mooretwin (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

(ec) Today, two controversial page moves were made, firstly from List of people on stamps of Ireland (with this move) to List of people on stamps of the Republic of Ireland and then to List of people on stamps in Ireland (with this move).

The first move is not without controversy over the name of the state, which is being discussed elsewhere. There are no stamps for the Republic of Ireland, even though the main Irish state article is named Republic of Ireland and the second move to in Ireland was totally wrong. The stamps are not in Ireland! The current name List of people on stamps of Ireland is proper and correct because it uses the state's official English language name and there are no independent stamps for Northern Ireland, so there is no ambiguity in using the official name. Stamps issued specifically for Northern Ireland are known as Regional stamps and covered by the article Regional postage in Great Britain. Any future moves are controversial and totally unnecessary unless there are good reasons and consensus. ww2censor (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No stamps for the Republic of Ireland?? This article would appear to suggest otherwise. Indeed, I received a letter from there last week and it had a stamp on it. As regards the assertion that there are no independent stamps for Northern Ireland, so there is no ambiguity in using the official name: (a) "independent" is a red herring, since, as you concede there are/were "regional" UK stamps for NI; and (b) do not assume the reader has knowledge of the Irish political situation. Mooretwin (talk) 17:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, there is No stamps for the Republic of Ireland. You are correct ww2censor in your reasoning, and I was quite wrong re "in" Ireland. --Domer48_'fenian' 18:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually Mooretwin you did not get a letter last week from the Republic of Ireland as claimed. Look at the stamps and you will see that it came from Éire and you well know that the translation of Éire is Ireland, not Republic of Ireland. Nowhere in the philatelic literature will you find the term "stamps of the Republic of Ireland" used, you only find "stamps of Ireland" per a worldcat search and the contents of my philatelic library and philatelic bibliographies I also have, while a "stamps of the Republic of Ireland" search yields zero results. None of the commonly available and used catalogues, for at least the last 37 years, use the term you are trying to impose, so WP:COMMONAME should prevail because no one uses the less common "description of the state". Are you telling me these specialist publishers are wrong and you know better?

1. Buchalter, M. Don (1972). Buchalter, M. Don. ed. Hibernian Specialised Catalogue of the Postage Stamps of Ireland 1922–1972. Hibernian Stamp Co Ltd, Dublin, Ireland.
2. Gibbons, Edward Stanley (2004). Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalogue Ireland (2nd edition ed.). London & Ringwood: Stanley Gibbons. ISBN 0-86259-583-2.
3. Hamilton-Bowen, Roy (2001). Roy Hamilton-Bowen. ed. Hibernian Handbook and Catalogue of the Postage Stamps of Ireland 1922–2001. Rodgau Philatelic Service GmbH, Rodgau, Germany. ISBN 3-9807973-0-9.
4. MacDonnell, David; Whyte, Ian (eds.) (1990). MacDonnell Whyte Stamps of Ireland: Specialised Handbook, 1991 Edition (13th edition ed.). Dublin, Ireland: Ian Whyte (Ireland) & MacDonnell Whyte. ISBN 0-9517095-0-X.

Please keep any Ireland renaming issues back to the main Irish articles where they belong, which you well know is actively being discussed right now and if the Ireland WikiProject Collaboration decides that other articles need to changed renaming this may become a follow-on of any decision made there, it should not be a quick drive-by renaming by you. ww2censor (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Nano Nagle

There was a Nano Nagle centenary stamp in 1975. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.38.120 (talk) 01:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I added her to the list. I assume the two stamps are mentioned in one of the existing refs, but 5p and 7p stamps from 1975. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 02:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Quick addition - Technically the centenary of the Presentation Sisters, but the stamps feature an image of Nano Nagle. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 02:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

That was the reason I did not add it previously but those stamps do show Nano Nagle. ww2censor (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yup. I was just wibbling (having second thoughts) in the last few minutes looking for a source to make sure, in case it was a generic nun on the stamp but the stamps themselves say Nano Nagle. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 02:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Louis le Brocquy stamp

We argue that "Until the mid-1990s it was usual policy not to issue stamps showing living persons, the only exceptions being Douglas Hyde (stamp 1943, d. 1949) and Louis le Brocquy (stamp 1977, still alive in 2007), but this policy has been put aside and there ..." But does the Louis le Brocquy 1977 stamp not just show a picture of a rather strange head that can't really be argued to be a picture of him. Is this the stamp here or is there another one with his image on?: [1]. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 15:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC))

The general criterion for "people on stamps" is "honored by the stamp" rather than "literally depicted on the stamp". So for instance the US stamp of 1934 depicting Whistler's Mother is listed under the painter's name rather than his mother's name. In the le Brocquy case, it's good enough that the image is captioned with his name, doesn't matter who (or what) the image is supposed to represent. Stan (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The stamp is a self-portrait, part of a series of "Head" paintings Louis Le Brocquy made. It is this image. On the other hand I am not entirely sure I would concur with Whistler's Mother should be listed under Whistler as Stan suggests, but, any depiction of a person, photo, painting or drawing, should be listed. ww2censor (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks both! (Msrasnw (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC))

Lots of artists are commemorated via bits of their work, rather than by portrait busts, so you'd have the odd situation of the honored artist not being listed, but maybe instead the obscure person who served as the model. At this point it would be a fair amount of work to go through all the lists and change the rule. Stan (talk) 22:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Irish Rugby players on stamps

Can we add: 1974 Barry McGann, Colin Grimshaw and Donal Canniffe and 1995 Brian Robinson, John Murphy and Denis McBride or do we leave them out because, although the individuals are apparently clearly identifiable, the stamps were being used just to show rugby? (Msrasnw (talk) 09:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC))

The inclusion criteria would say to leave them out - it's basically an accident of design that we are able to figure out who the people are. If there is a reliable source identifying them individually, it might make sense to add a separate section at the end, of "persons identifiable but not honored". We would need to be careful about cites, oftentimes there are strange theories about who a stamp is modelled after, don't want to get into that kind of original research. Stan (talk) 20:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A source for the rugby is the [IRFU site] and the 1996 stamps on the Centenary of Irish Cinema for the Man Of Aran mention the actors by name even though I guess it was really the film and its characters that were being honoured. But I think I am not being so helpful here so will leave it - I have filled a few of the redlinks anyway though so I have been of some use. Best wishes anyway, (Msrasnw (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC))