Talk:List of people who entered an Alford plea/Archive 1

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The lede gives a good overview of the Alford plea and its usage. Please do not remove it. Cirt (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The title is "list of people". The article should be restricted to that. Anything about the plea goes in the Alford plea article surely? If the Alford plea article is inadequate, why cannot Cirt improve that? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I have improved it. I see no reason why this page should not be able to function as a stand-alone page, grounding the reader with appropriate background info. And there was absolutely no reason for you to abuse your status as admin by abusing usage of the WP:ROLLBACK tool, as you did, here [1]. Cirt (talk) 16:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Featured lists. I highly doubt the majority of those have, as you put it, one line "lede". Cirt (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

As Cirt points out, we would certainly never expect to see FLCs with one-line leads, as I'm sure a cursory glance at any of our recently promoted lists will confirm. While we don't want a complete repeat of information that may be found in the main article, there is no harm at all in providing a good summary of the major concepts in this plea. I think reintroducing some, if not all, of Cirt's lead would be advisable here. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The Rambling Man, thank you very much for your input. Most appreciated. Cirt (talk) 17:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

But what Cirt has provided is not a "good summary" but an extensive fork of the main article. 92.239.46.95 (talk) 20:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I whole-heartedly agree with you there, and encourage Cirt to work on turning it into a summary. But on balance the current lead is a better starting point than the total absence of one. WFCforLife (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

It is not a "fork". I used entirely different sources, and presented a Background discussion using material that deals with how this applies to individuals who choose to use this form of plea. In time, the other article will be greatly expanded upon, and a mere few paragraphs here is a good size. Cirt (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Back in the day, featured lists too mostly had one-line leads structured along the lines of "This is a list of X..." While it does introduce the topic, it was decided that such an opening was not professional and certainly not an example of engaging prose. In addition, those openings provided little context for the reader (imagine if List of cardinal-nephews started "This is a list of cardinal-nephews" without any further explanation of what a cardinal-nephew was). So, leads of lists have evolved to include a brief overview of the general subject in addition to the normal summary of the list. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Dabomb87, that clarification is most helpful. Cirt (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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