Talk:List of pre-20th century submarines

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how about an addition[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.95.26.168 (talk) 17:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done: It turns out the Fulton became the Russian Som (see the class article) and post-dates the Hollands by a few years, and Drzewiecki’s Vodobronnogo submarine was the semi-submersible Keta (ru), so it’s outside the scope, too. Someone had already added Ictineo. Xyl 54 (talk) 19:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits (April 2020)[edit]

I’ve deleted the first entry here, Magnus Pegel, as there isn’t anything on his English (or his German) WP page that supports the notion that he actually built a submarine and tested it. I’ve also added a bunch of (IMO) fairly significant examples that fall within the time frame. (And on that subject, see below...) Xyl 54 (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scope[edit]

What exactly is the scope of this article? "Pre-Holland" seems hopelessly Americo-centric (JP H wasn’t the only submarine designer, or even the most significant); and if Holland is the cut-off point, which Holland submarine are we talking about? Holland I was launched in 1878; that leaves out a lot of far more significant boats. Holland VI was launched in 1897 but not commissioned until 1900; which date should we use? And whichever, Lake’s Protector, which was already here, came after it.
I would suggest a better (and a more neutral) cut-off would be 1900/turn of the 20th century. So unless there are any objections I propose to move this page to "List of pre-1900 (or List of pre-20th century) submarines", to better reflect NPOV and to include the most significant European boats as well. Xyl 54 (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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There's been no objection, so I've gone ahead and done it. I trust everyone is OK with that. Xyl 54 (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Fulton and Protector[edit]

As Fulton and Protector were launched in 1901 according to the list, should they really be included here? After all 1901 is not pre-20th century. Dunarc (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]