Talk:List of river systems by length/Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2021

Shatt al-arab is bordered between Iraq and Iran, but Iran is missing. 2A00:23C4:7889:4001:F04A:94C1:9BF9:BD5F (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done You are correct, the Shatt al-Arab basin does extend into Iran. I'm not sure where the existing percentages came from, but it doesn't seem like they could be correct anyway. I've also added Iran to the Tigris basin for the same reason. TimSmit (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 January 2021 about the Amazon River's length

According to the page, the Amazon River is 6,400 km or 3,976 miles long, however I found some evidence that tells another story. The following links describe the Amazon River to be 6,800 km or 4,225 miles long:
First, the NASA Earth Observatory: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/7823/source-of-the-amazon-river
Also, this article from National Geographic: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2007/06/amazon-longer-than-nile-river/
And finally there's this one from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6759291.stm MissingNo12 (talk) 01:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Subject to dispute. Read the note behind the row for the Amazon. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Why?!

Why is Russia the first in the list in all the rivers flowing through Russia? Classification from source to drain or according to political preferences? Amur begins in China, but for some reason Russia is the first on the list! Why?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.122.108.2 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

They're supposed to be in order of basin size, so if the majority of the basin is in Russia it should get listed first. Looks like it is wrong for Dnieper, I'll correct. Kmusser (talk) 12:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Why repeat length and discharge?

@420Traveler: @Plastikspork: @SavoryPropellerHat: @Ashersea: @DB1729: @Dylanvt: @JohnFromPinckney: @Kmusser: @Shantavira: @Ehrenkater: @WEGC1: Information is mostly the same in List of rivers by length and List of rivers by discharge. It's hard to keep 2 articles up to date and consistent. Why not merge the 2 articles? Each can be sorted both ways. The criteria for inclusion would be having either discharge over 2,000 cubic meters/sec or 1,000 km. I wanted to discuss before making a formal proposal. Kim9988 (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree, I would keep the list of rivers by length, and add the discharge into that list. I say this because its possible for the discharge to vary at different times. -420Traveler (talk) 22:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hadn't known about the Discharge article. Merging to reduce redundancy (and conflict between the two) is okay for me. If/when we do merge, we'll have to rethink the ranking columns; personally, I'd just as soon be rid of them, but some may insist on having them (and then we'd need two). I really don't like the color key in the Length version, as it's inaccessible, and impossible to remember after you've scrolled past the first 10. The countries column could go, too, AFAIAC, as simultaneously too much info and largely unsourced. Also: what should we call the resulting comingling of data? Still "by length"? — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 06:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

You can have a static ranking column (see {{static row numbers}}). This has the additional advantage of automatically adding the ranking, making additions or changes to the table easier. —  Jts1882 | talk  16:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm still not convinced that method is accessible. And if the user sorts by, say, Outflow, the ranking is meaningless. I'll find something else to grumble about soon, like the "music" the kids listen to nowadays. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 00:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to be such a stickler, especially because I don't know that the average reader would be affected much but I have my concerns. At any point feel free to respond by telling me to shut it. I definitely think it makes sense to merge them for redundancy reasons, mentioned above by -'User:JohnFromPinckney|JohnFromPinckney and to solve conflicting information. However there are a number of cons against. Consider that sometimes the query is specific to either length or discharge (At least for me it's been specifically discharge). Might it still make sense to have two pages if we're really talking about two queries? More importantly the best sources for each data are largely from different places. So as editors we're starting to deal with two things per entry, which would be fine except they don't mesh too well. Good sources on length often have some rough discharges, or do not have that information at all. In reverse it's the same idea. There's a lot of problems here. Firstly it's hard to verify the sources with each other; there's a need for more sources where we already just increased it by a huge amount combining the two pages. Also we would have one page where a source is pretty accurate for one data but not the other, that reduces apparent credibility. And we would have to operate that one entry probably needs two specific sources to provide a good quality of information on both 'topics'. Yes that complicates editing but even just to have to put this out somewhere is instruction creep in my opinion. I see merging as having a couple big pros and a bunch of little cons, but enough cons that I would say keep each page where it's at it.SavoryPropellerHat (talk) 09:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

On the other hand, if we merged them (and chose sources prudently), we'd have only two lengths for the Nile and not three different ones.

And now that I look at the articles, I see the Length version has only 5 refs for 186 rivers. Discharge has a (relatively) whopping 24 refs for 140 rivers. So merging might force us to do some better sourcing anyway, and (in my dreams) it'd be easier to do. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 13:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

No objections to a merger from me, source verification is going to be an issue regardless of whether it's two pages or one and I think it would be easier to deal with all on a single page. Kmusser (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2022

The 'Rank' column in the table could include its rank in the continent included in brackets, i.e. x(y). CSharx (talk) 04:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 04:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2022

The Nile River is the second-longest and the Amazon River is longer 204.98.86.50 (talk) 14:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the longest river of Mongolia should be in this list.

Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkhon_River — Preceding unsigned comment added by UMGC155 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Why is the Brahmaputra shown as a tributary as of the Ganges

When it is the longer river. Elsewhere, the article follows the convention of following the longest tributary not the largest (as with Mississippi and Nile), correctly for the purposes of the article in my view. However, this is not made explicit or discussed, which it should probably be. Marqaz (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022

So, when I googled up is Amazon river and the Nile longer, it say Brazilian scientists’ 14 day expedition extended the length by 176 miles making it 65 miles longer than the nile river. I think this is outdated. Muktheduck (talk) 03:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 03:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2022

the longest river is the Nile length is 6990 km —43.252.250.187 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The Danube basin list is missing 9 countries

Only the countries the river itself flows through have been listed. The nine containing tributaries are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Montenegro, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, North Macedonia and Albania. Can these be added please? Here is a web page which can be cited for this:

https://www.icpdr.org/main/publications/danube-river-basin-overview-map Xyu2 (talk) 07:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

I believe the Brahmaputra and Ganges should be listed as one combined river, with "Ganges" listed separately as a tributary.

The rest of the article lists rivers with their longest tributary, eg. Mississippi-Missouri, rather than "Mississippi" and "Missouri" separately; the longest tributary of the Ganges is the Brahmaputra system. Is this because the delta has already started by the time the Brahmaputra joins it? The Brahmaputra does seem to join the main channel of the Ganges, though, if I'm right? So the other delta outflow channels can be disregarded? Xyu2 (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022

The updation of ganges river system Aggarwal bansal (talk) 14:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I want to update some of the systems with their length Aggarwal bansal (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Madeline (part of me) 15:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022 (2)

The combined length of the Ganges - Hooghly - Padma is actually to be 3140 km . In this the mention is of only the ganga length the the combined length of the whole system Aggarwal bansal (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Madeline (part of me) 15:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2022

The mouth of Brahmaputra is ganges not bay of Bengal. 139.5.254.185 (talk) 09:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- Asartea ^{Talk | Contribs} 08:53, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2022

The mouth of brahmaputra is Ganges not bay of Bengal —139.5.254.185 (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done The article already says that. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

The difference in lengths between Amazon and Nile seems erroneous

There is a much bigger difference in miles than in kilometers in the lengths listed for these two rivers. That can't be correct. 81.106.57.183 (talk) 23:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for noticing this. I've restored the version of article that had the correct values. Best, —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:13, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Reasons for major changes to the article

@Aggarwal bansal: You have made some major changes to this article, which have introduced factual errors into the article, please see the section above. I challenged your edits, and you reverted me twice. Now, please first discuss here, the reasons for the changes before making the changes again as I've undid your edit once again for factual errors. Thank you. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)