Talk:List of titles and honours of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington

Paris Peace Conference and other sources

A list of those honours considered important enough to be included in the Treaty of Paris (1815) are listed on Wikisource.

For example the Definitive Treaty list:

The Most Illustrious and Most Noble Lord Arthur, Duke, Marquess, and Earl of Wellington, Marquess of Douro, Viscount Wellington of Talavera and of Wellington, and Baron Douro of Wellesley, a Member of his said Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, a Field Marshal of his Armies, Colonel of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Prince of Waterloo, Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo, and a Grandee of Spain of the First Class, Duke of Vittoria, Marquess of Torres Vedras, Count of Vimiera in Portugal, Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece, of the Spanish Military Order of St. Ferdinand, Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Theresa, Knight Grand Gross of the Imperial Order of St. George of Russia, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Black Eagle of Prussia, Knight Grand Cross of the Portuguese Royal and Military Order of the Tower and Sword, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal and Military Order of Sweden of the Sword, Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of the Elephant of Denmark, of William of the Low Countries, of the Anminciade of Sardinia, of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria, and of several others, and Commander of the Forces of his Britannic Majesty in France, and of the Army of His Majesty the King of the Low Countries;

Listed these are:

Title	Comment
Duke, Marquess, and Earl of Wellington,	Y Y Y
Marquess of Douro,	Y
Viscount Wellington of Talavera and of Wellington,	Y
Baron Douro of Wellesley,	Y
British Most Honourable Privy Council,	Y
British Field Marshal of his Armies,	Y
Colonel of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards,	Y
Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter,	Y
Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath,	Y
Prince of Waterloo,	Y(The Netherlands)
Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo,	Y (Spain)
Grandee of Spain of the First Class,	Y
Duke of Vittoria,	Y Portugal
Marquess of Torres Vedras,	Y Portugal
Count of Vimiera in Portugal,	Y Portugal (if it is an alternative spelling of Count of Vimeiro)
Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece,	Y
Knight of the Spanish Military Order of St. Ferdinand,	Y Not sure if this is Laureate Cross of Saint Ferdinand or tied into the Order of the Golden Fleece or something to do with Order of Saint Ferdinand and of Merit
Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Theresa,	YMaria Theresa of Austria
Knight Grand Gross of the Imperial Order of St. George of Russia,	Y Russia
Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Black Eagle of Prussia,	Y Prussia
Knight Grand Cross of the Portuguese Royal and Military Order of the Tower and Sword,	Y Portugal
Knight Grand Cross of the Royal and Military Order of Sweden of the Sword,	N Sweden
Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of the Elephant of Denmark,	N Denmark
Knight Grand Cross of William of the Low Countries,	N Netherlands
Knight Grand Cross of the Annunciade of Sardinia,	N Sardinia
Knight Grand Cross of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria,	N Bavaria
[Knight Grand Cross ?] of several others,	N
Commander of the Forces of his Britannic Majesty in France,	N But probably not wanted in this page
Commander of the Army of His Majesty the King of the Low Countries	N But probably not wanted in this page

It seems from a quick comparison that quite a few of these are missing from the Wikipedia list. There are probably more that are not listed here but are included in other treaties either signed at the Paris peace conference. I am not sure what a phrase that starts "of" means but I would guess it means the same as the last honour, but this is something someone else may know I have put them in inside square brackets--PBS (talk) 02:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is another list from 1817 where Wellesley has picked up a few more honours. I have highlighted those I've noticed:

To the most high, mighty, and most noble Prince Arthur, Duke, Marquis, and Earl of Wellington. Marquis of Douro. Viscount Wellington of Talarera and of Wellington, and Baron Douro of Wellesley. One of bis Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council. Field Marshal of His Majesty's Forces. Colonel of the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards Blue. Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter. Knight Grand Cross of tbe Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath. Prince of Waterloo in tire Netherlands. Duke of Ciml.nl Rodrigo, and a Grandee of Spain of the First Class. Duke of Vittoria. Marquis of Torres Vedras, and Count of Vimiera in Portugal. Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece. Of the Spanish Military Order of St. Fernando. Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Holy Ghost in France. Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Theresa. Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of St. George of Russia. Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Black Eagle of Prussia. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Portuguese Military Order of the Tower and Sword. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Military Order of the Sword of Sweden. Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Elephant of Denmark, of William of the Low Countries: Of the Annunciade of Sardinia: Of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria. Of the Crown of Rue, the Family Order of the King of Saxony. The Order of Fidelity of the First Class of the Grand Duke of Baden, and of several others. And Commander of the Forces of his Britannic Majesty In France, and of the Army of his Majesty the King of the Low Countries, &c,( J. Booth, 1817, The battle of Waterloo: also of Ligny, and Quatre Bras, ..., p. i)

By 1836 he had picked up a few more ( Debrett's complete peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Printed for J.G. & F. Rivington, 1838, p. 31)

ARTHUR WELLESLEY, Duke of WELLINGTON, Marquess of Douro, Marquess and Earl of Wellington, Viscount Wellington, of Talavera, and of Wellington, and Baron Douro, of Wellesley, co. Somerset, P.C., Field Marshal in the Army, Constable of the Tower, and of Dover Castle, Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, Lord Lieutenant of Hampshire, Colonel of the Grenadier Guards, Colonel-in-Chief of the Rife Brigade, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Chancellor of the University of Oxford, Master of the Corporation of the Trinity House, and late Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs; Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Grand Cross of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order, Knight of the Order of St. Esprit of France, Prince of Waterloo, (so created by the king and legislative body of the Netherlands, value £2000 per annum ; but the gift in other respects is much enhanced, when it is considered that it is bestowed in lands and woods situated in the very theatre of his splendid victory,) Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo, and a Grandee of Spain of the First Class, Duke of Vittoria, Marquess of Torres Vedras, Count of Vimiera in Portugal, Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece, of St. Ferdinand and Merit, and of St. Januarius of the two Sicilies, Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Theresa of Austria, Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Orders of St. George, St. Andrew, and St. Alexander Newski of Russia, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Black Eagle of Prussia, Knight Grand Cross of the Portuguese Royal and Military Order of the Tower and Sword, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal and Military Order of the Sword of Sweden, Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of the Elephant of Denmark, of William of the Low Countries, of the Annunciade of Sardinia, of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria, and of several others, a Field Marshal in the Armies of the Emperors of Austria and Russia, the Kings of Prussia, Portugal, and the Netherlands, and Captain General of the Armies of the King of Spain ;

--PBS (talk) 02:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

• Garter's recitation at his funeral is also given in the London Gazette:[1][2] "the late Most High, Mighty, and Most Noble Prince, Arthur, Duke and Marquess of Wellington, Marquess Douro, Earl of Wellington, Viscount Wellington and Baron Douro, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight Grand Cross of The Most Honourable Order of the Bath, One of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, and Field Marshal and Commander-in-Chief of Her Majesty's Forces. Field Marshal of the Austrian Army, Field Marshal of the Hanoverian Army, Field Marshal of the Army of the Netherlands, Marshal-General of the Portuguese Army, Field Marshal of the Prussian Army, Field Marshal of the Russian Army, and Captain-General of the Spanish Army. Prince of Waterloo, of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo and Grandee of Spain of the First Class. Duke of Victoria, Marquess of Torres Vedras, and Count of Vimiera in Portugal. Knight of the Most Illustrious Order of the Golden Fleece, and of the Military Orders of St. Ferdinand and of St. Hermenigilde of Spain. Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of the Black Eagle and of the Red Eagle of Prussia. Knight Grand Cross of the Imperial Military Order of Maria Teresa of Austria. Knight of the Imperial Orders of St. Andrew, St. Alexander Newski, and St. George of Russia. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Portuguese Military Order of the Tower and Sword. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal and Military Order of the Sword of Sweden. Knight of the Order of St. Esprit of France. Knight of the Order of the Elephant of Denmark. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. Knight of the Order of St. Januarius and of the Military Order of St. Ferdinand and of Merit of the Two Sicilies. Knight Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the Annunciation of Sardinia. Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Military Order of Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria. Knight of the Royal Order of the Rue Crown of Saxony, Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Military Merit of Wurtemberg. Knight Grand Cross of the Military Order of William of the Netherlands. Knight of the Order of the Golden Lion of Hesse Cassel, and Knight Grand Cross of the Orders of Fidelity and of the Lion of Baden." Opera hat (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Batons

He is currently stated as having been awarded field marshal's batons from 12 countries, but according to the London Gazette, those borne at his funeral were from Spain, Russia, Prussia, Portugal, the Netherlands, Hanover[3] and Britain[4] - which makes only seven. Where were the others from? Opera hat (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I think you are onto something. There are lots of Wikiepdia articles stating 12 but, I am having difficulty finding an independent source. Here is snippet view from page 26, Apsley House Guide by Simon Jervis & Maurice Tomlin. That "only" list: 3 British (1813, 1821, other not dated), Portuguese (1809), Hanoverian (1844), Dutch, Spanish (1809), Austrian (1818) and Prussian.

The Russian one not listed in that source (as presumably is no in that cabinet), but listed in other places. The British ones were as "field marshal of England" (lots of sources available if that is searched for with Google books).

This has led me to a book which is very useful for this page, because not only does it give a detailed description of each Baton (8 in all according to the source). It also give a list of other significant and/or interesting decorations with engravings that because they are out of copyright can be copied into commons and used as images on this page, along with a complete list of his titles at his death as read out by the Garter King at Arms (and so is an authoritative primary source quoted in a reliable secondary source).

• Stocqueler, Joachim Hayward (1853). "Chapter 23: The Titles, Honours, and Descent of the Duke". The life of Field Marshal the Duke of Wellington. Vol. 2. Ingram, Cooke, and co. pp. 306–315.
  • The Baton of Portugal is of burnished gold; it is surmounted by a crown, and on a shield are the arms of Portugal.
  • The Baton of Prussia is of burnished gold, and is of classic ornamentation ; it bears two eagles displayed, holding the sceptre and orb of sovereignty.
  • The Baton of England is of gold, and is surmounted with the group of St. George and the Dragon. This baton is excessively rich in its decoration.
  • The Baton of the Netherlands. This is one of the simplest, but perhaps the most elegant of the batons, the Greek ornaments being introduced very tastefully. The arms of the Netherlands are in the upper division.
  • The Baton of Spain. Like that of Portugal, it is crowned; but it is shorter in its proportions. It is of burnished gold, and bears the armorial ensigns of Spain.
  • The Baton of Hanover. The crown and ends of the staff are gold ; but the chief part of the baton is covered with crimson velvet, powdered with silver horses—the Hanoverian arms; and a silver horse is placed above the crown.
  • The Baton of Austria is of burnished gold, and the wreaths round it are in dead gold. The other portions are extremely plain.
  • The Baton of Russia is of gold, and the alternate wreaths of laurel and oak, which twine round it; and the collars round the staff are set with diamonds of great value. The ground is frosted gold.

--PBS (talk) 11:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

This engraving of use? http://www.victorianweb.org/periodicals/iln/20g.html Ma®©usBritish (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Interesting discovery. Apsley House has 10 batons on display: http://www.englishheritageimages.com/low.php?xp=media&xm=4513845 I cannot find anything stating what the other 2 are, and even though a lot of websites claim he received 12, nothing support this. I might give Apsley House a ring for more information. Ma®©usBritish (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Contacted Apsley House, they definitely have 10 batons. The bloke I spoke to says 3 are English, however. He does not know why a lot of sites state 12, but gave 2 theories:

a) Not all Wellington's items were put into museums and other batons may be in private family collections - though doubtful, or

b) There was a well organised robbery at Apsley House c.1962; various valuable items were stolen and have never been recovered. He has a vague memory that 1 baton was stolen, but it might have been 2. There should be more info. in newspaper archives regarding this incident.

For the time being though, the number of batons on public display is 10. They are listed in the National Heritage Guidebook on Apsley House but don't go into any detail - the cabinet containing them has more info, I am told. Ma®©usBritish (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed. The said robbery was Thursday, 9 December 1965 - three items stolen:

• Great George jewel from the Order of the Garter,
• Multidiamond jewel of the Order of the Golden Fleece, and
• A gold, diamond and emerald encrusted, Russian Marshal's Baton

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?id=yLRWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0ugDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6178,2772911&dq=apsley+house+1965+stolen&hl=en

Such a shame...

Ma®©usBritish (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

For anyone who reads this and is interested, some time after this discussion, I used the information obtained here and elsewhere to write an article about it. See Batons of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. -- PBS (talk) 03:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Military General Service Medal (1842)?

A British soldier of Wellington's range of campaigns alive in 1842 would have been entitled the Military General Service Medal, awarded that year to British Army veterans who had taken part in a range of named battles as far back as the 1790s for which clasps were awarded with the medal. As he lived another ten years, did he get to receive it?Cloptonson (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

There wasn't a MGSM (1842), so the answer is no. The MGSM was established in 1847, for junior officers and other ranks. Wellington received the Army Gold Medal, which was established in 1808 for senior officers. It is on display at Apsley House, with nine clasps, for 13 actions. Richard Harvey (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I stand corrected on the year (memory plays tricks). As to rank criteria, I notice the article on the Army Gold Cross states the MGSM was awarded irrespective of rank, in a sentence cited to Lawrence Gordon's edition of British Battles and Medals. This apart, it would be useful on the page for readers who may have the same question in their minds to mention that although the MGSM was instituted in his lifetime, with (albeit reluctant) support from himself as the article on the MGSM indicates, he did not receive it for himself.Cloptonson (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)