Talk:List of titles and honours of George VI

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Further Foreign Honours[edit]

His entry on pages ccxxxvii-ccxxxviii of Burke's Peerage for 1949 mentions the following foreign decorations that can be added to the list in this article, but dates of award are lacking and a few need clarification:

  • French Croix de Guerre (for service in which World War?)
  • Order of El Rafidain of Hedjaz (was not Hedjaz one of the two Arab kingdoms that amalgamated into Saudi Arabia?)
  • Hashemite Chain of Iraq
  • Order of San Marino (sic - properly, Order of St Marinus of the Republic of San Marino)
  • Norwegian Military Cross
  • Greek Medal for Gallantry

Cloptonson (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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George’s titles[edit]

He was a German prince until George V changed name to Windsor and renounced all such titles. Let’s add it. Also Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, Supreme Governor of the Church of England are OFFICIAL titles. Duke of Normandy is not. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 05:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

George VI was never a German prince, despite the original name of his Royal House, which changed to Windsor during his father's reign. But, his paternal great-grandfather was. GoodDay (talk) 05:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know if you feel Duke of Lancaster, Lord of Mann, and Supreme Governor of the Church of England are official titles. Do look them up on Wikipedia and elsewhere. They are real. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 05:36, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do think that some of them are official, but we need sources for that. Also, see a similar discussion here. Peter Ormond 💬 05:55, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, here’s my two cents:
I guess from what was proposed, all titles except the Duke of Normandy one are legit. KosomPolskii (talk) 10:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scroll down to George VI here: https://prinzandreas.com/scg-united-kingdom/ and read https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/HGSachsen-CG.htm#Coburg. Succession rights were conditionally renounced. Titles were never renounced. The only legal actions taken were to change the name of the royal house and family, and deprive enemies of the state of their British titles and styles. Non-enemies were never affected.

Proposal to add German and Dominion titles[edit]

While it is true that the name of the royal house and family was changed by way of royal proclamation, the following things are to be borne in mind:

  1. Only enemies of the United Kingdom who also bore British style and titles were deprived of such titles
  2. Only the name of the royal house and family was changed.
  3. Succession rights to the German ducal throne were conditionally renounced. Never completely.
  4. Titles were never renounced.
  5. The House of Windsor continues to be considered a branch of the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha house, and upon Prince Charles’ accession will be part of the houses of SCG and Oldenburg.

Scroll down to George VI here https://prinzandreas.com/scg-united-kingdom/ , and read https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/HGSachsen-CG.htm#Coburg . KosomPolskii (talk) 12:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect you're a sock, of recently blocked IP. GoodDay (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, what do @DeCausa:, @Peter Ormond:, and @DrKay: think about the above sources, any suggestions? 59.92.227.87 (talk) 05:18, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that all these titles were added and subsequently reverted again yesterday. GoodDay, as the reverting editor, I think it would be quite helpful if you could explain why these titles or the references supporting them are not acceptable. I personally couldn't care tuppence what George VI gets called, but if we're going to have a list, it may as well be accurate and complete, but obviously not contaminated with spurious titles if they're genuinely wrong. I understand that there is a risk here that the whole KosomPolskii incident and the IP's brief ban may cloud the issue, but the ban is finished now, the KosomPolskii account is marked as retired, so hopefully we can draw a line under the past, and move forward building some consensus on this. Elemimele (talk) 06:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If the objecting editor disputes the reverts? He/she may restore their edits. I've little interest in the topic, at the moment. GoodDay (talk) 06:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He had those titles, but they were not used as given in the article. They were in addition to his other titles and were never used on their own. It would be better to add them as a paragraph of prose, like the amended paragraph on the head of Commonwealth so that they can be placed in context and explained. DrKay (talk) 07:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DrKay: Well, in India, at all occasions, he was King George VI, Emperor of India. I agree most were not used in isolation, which is why I put them as HM the King, XXX. The content you removed; I looked it up on Wikipedia itself, so I’ll attribute it I guess. Putting them in prose for all titles is a good idea, but having them in a column looks clean, and for people wanting to research, it would be better I feel. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 07:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DrKay: We are not saying how they were used, simply what he had, and how they were styled. He was generally King, XXX. That’s how they were used. A prose, as you suggest, would be better at the end, after the columnar list. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 07:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there two Rfc on the same topic, at this talkpage? GoodDay (talk) 08:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was an error. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:49, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clarify: At my talkpage, you said you were going to use your registered account (@KosomPolskii:). Why have you changed your mind? GoodDay (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: I have issues with cookies on Safari in my iPad. It logs me out frequently. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title in the Dominions[edit]

In the dominions, he was known as HM the King, in his capacity as King of “dominion”. Sources and related links will be published in this section. Speak your mind. Please note that we are not writing how these titles were used, we’re just simply showing what he had, and what was official. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1. https://archive.org/details/jstor-2212266/page/n1/mode/2up
2. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1922/act/1/enacted/en/print
3. https://archive.org/details/minutesofproceed00colo/mode/2up
4. http://www.nzlii.org/nz/legis/hist_act/sowaa194711gv1947n38459/
5. https://web.archive.org/web/20120927031216/http://www.thecommonwealth.org/files/214257/FileName/TheLondonDeclaration1949.pdf 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is this connected to the Rfc? GoodDay (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes.
6. https://www.jstor.org/stable/23726109?seq=1
7. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=qzIw-c1YOAIC&pg=PA2&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think participants will be able to follow this. The constitutional history of the dominions has nothing to do with German titles and other than the London Declaration none of the listed sources say anything about his titles. DrKay (talk) 09:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DrKay:I’m trying to avoid original research by synthesis, so maybe someone can point the right ones up. Some of these were used elsewhere to justify the titles in the other Wikipedia pages. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 09:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't like Elizabeth II: she has a different style in each realm. George VI had only one style, used throughout the Empire and Commonwealth. It only needs to be given once. DrKay (talk) 10:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That changed during George VI’s reign. He initially had one style everywhere, then he became as in the cases of India and Pakistan, King of India, and King of Pakistan, and in some other places too. There he was HM the King, same as in the UK, but not of the UK rather, of “the dominion”. I’m trying to find reliable sources for that. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above sources are where he is mentioned, either explicitly or implicitly, as the King of such entity. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

(Invited by the bot) There's no specific proposal here much less a properly formatted RFC. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with @North8000:, this Rfc is confusing. GoodDay (talk) 23:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked for anything resembling an RFC within the talk page and agree with GoodDay and North8000, there is not a valid RFC. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:40, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The RFC tag has been deleted. GoodDay (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Advice: @59.92.227.87:, I recommend that you bring your concerns about this article, to this article's talkpage. Rather then going to talkpages of editors. GoodDay (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: I heard of that before, but didn’t care as much. Will do so. And I was reading something somewhere it said I can’t be pinged if I’m an IP. Was surprised at that. Good day, @GoodDay: 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to ping me. Certainly not twice in the same post. GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS - IF you can't remain registered in? Then you should permanently retire your registered account & continue only as an IP. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom of Information[edit]

Given that the UK allows anyone to file a Freedom of Information request, I will be filing one shortly. I intend on uploading the report to Commons and then using it as a reference here. Please comment. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 11:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An FoI for what? What will it have to do with this article? A response to an FOI is sent to the person requesting it. It would need to be published in a reliable source for it to be used in Wikipedia. You uploading a copy would not be publication by a reliable source and could not be used. DeCausa (talk) 14:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article content[edit]

With all the recent activity on this article. I sure hope its conclusion will be accurate, for our readers. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Superfluous notes[edit]

There were far too many superfluous and unnecessary notes that did not conform to usual WP practice. I’ve trimmed them down by taking out (a) unsourced (b) those that are better handled by wikilinks for the relevant information (c) inappropriate e.g. providing “captions” for the flag icons. DeCausa (talk) 22:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. The only one I feel is needed is the one saying Georgy and his wife used the imperial title for longer; and it’s usage in Hindustani language to denote Crown property; whose use to denote lands has been deprecated by the republican government. KosomPolskii (talk) 02:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mass removal of Content[edit]

The IP has removed most of the honours and military appointments from the article [1], saying that they were unsourced and unverifiable. If somebody has got time, could they please find sources and verify the removed content, and if verfiable, add back to the article with sources. Peter Ormond 💬 06:32, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter Ormond:I got the time. I removed it, so I can thoroughly go through everything in peace and add them back. I am editing this article and George VI because he was the last Emperor of India and because I have a bet where I said I will make George VI the greatest article on Wikipedia ever. So I started with the honors article first. No worries. 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous Honors and Appointments[edit]

So I’m checking everything that used to be on this article and anything that wasn’t and isn’t but probably needs to be here. Meanwhile, I noticed there we’re big section devoted entirely to things like George VI is Commander-in-Chief of the Canadian Army, Navy, Airforce, C-I-C of British same thing here, and noble orders of which he was the sovereign by virtue of being monarch.

Now, things like these are always attached to the Crown, and don’t look like they are as important as their title counterparts vested in the Crown. Should these be added back? Anyway they didn’t have a source when they were here.

Things like foreign honors are unique to each monarch, so these must be here. Just unique things or unique plus the usual things too?

59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unique plus the usual things too. Peter Ormond 💬 08:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Peter Ormond:Would you accept my revision at George VI? 59.92.227.87 (talk) 08:54, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have pending changes reviewer rights and recently requested the same. Peter Ormond 💬 09:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This was all over two years ago. Is any if it going to be re-added? 2001:8003:E51B:3900:65A4:E630:F02F:2674 (talk) 12:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree, two years is a bit much of a wait. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 20:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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