Talk:List of wars involving the United States

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2023

I believe that the Korean War section should be edited to say inconclusive to line up with the actual article page for the Korean War. This can mislead people who are trying to learn about conflicts the USA has been in and also those trying to learn about the Korean War. Adriiwan (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Request for comment

Does the 2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria count as a new and separate war for the United States? Is it a wider part of the American intervention in the Syrian civil war, the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, or is it more akin to the 1998 bombing of Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory which was not a war. Can sources be shown to support any of the above? DarkAzure (talk) 11:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Point of information – The article has been renamed to 2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria based on overwhelming consensus at Talk:2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria#Requested move 1 November 2023 as evaluated by SJ. – Fuzheado | Talk 08:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I have changed the text to reflect that.--DarkAzure (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

• Do not list/Wait - At the moment I believe that it is too soon to tell where it will ultimately be. In hindsight, it will be far clearer and easier to place. At the moment the only quotes that have been found state that it is seen as a wider part of the American intervention in the Syrian civil war "“These narrowly tailored strikes in self-defense were intended solely to protect and defend U.S. personnel in Iraq and Syria,” Mr. Austin said. “They are separate and distinct from the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, and do not constitute a shift in our approach to the Israel-Hamas conflict.”" New York Times Who knows, tomorrow it might be abundantly clear if this should be listed with another conflict, as its own conflict, or if it should not be listed. But until there are reliable sources stating that this is a new and independent war from other conflicts America is involved with and not similar to the 1998 bombing, I do think that it should not be listed until the facts show otherwise. --DarkAzure (talk) 12:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Separate war — In this article from CNN, “The US carried out airstrikes targeting two facilities linked to Iranian-backed militias in eastern Syria…The US assessed that the airstrikes against the facilities linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and affiliated groups”. Besides the location of the attacks being Syria, “Syrian civil war” was not mentioned. Then we have where Houthi shot down a US drone as well as where the U.S. shot down a Houthi missile heading for Israel, not Syria over the Red Sea. Then we have this article from NBC News, which says “The groups conducting the attacks are supported by Iran and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, a Pentagon spokesman said.” Again, 0 mention of Syria except as a location for some of the attacks. This is an overall proxy war between the U.S. and Iran, not part of the Syrian civil war. This also is spillover from the 2023 Israel-Hamas war, which kickstarted this smaller proxy conflict starting 18 October. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• No. There is no such thing as 2023 American–Middle East conflict. This page is a classic WP:OR and it must be renamed.My very best wishes (talk) 23:57, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  My very best wishes, this discussion is not about a renaming. The renaming discussion can be found here. This is whether it is part of the Syrian civil war. In that No !vote, you didn't actually provide reasoning for it being a part of the Syrian civil war. Do you have a reasoning for it being part of the Syrian civil war, or was this a wrongly placed comment meant for the renaming discussion? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  Well, I tried to respond that this does not "count as a new and separate war for the United States" simply because this is not a war by the United States (yet). Hence it should not be included to the list. The renaming discussion of the page under discussion is very much relevant in this regard. My very best wishes (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  Ok, that helps clarify your comment some. That said, how would this article be listed in this list? The main discussion is (1) is it apart of an ongoing conflict already listed here. There are four ongoing conflicts right now listed here. If the attacks are directly apart of one of those 4 ongoing conflicts, it gets listed under it. If it isn’t apart of an ongoing conflict, then it gets its own entry on the list. That new entry would be either independent (as you are opposed to), or spillover from the 2023 Israel-Hamas war, which is still an independent entry on the list (as it isn’t part of one of the ongoing conflicts), but it would be listed not as an independent conflict, but rather a spillover conflict. So you are opposed to it being listed as an independent entry, but that still doesn’t really answer how it is categorized, since no individual entry means it is part of one of the four ongoing conflicts. I hope that someone helps explain the purpose of this RfC. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:10, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  Comment. OK. I think the page under discussion should be renamed as 2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria. Arguably, it is already a war by the US because US forces responded by hitting several targets, mostly in Syria. This might be a part of the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, but the targets are located far away of the area. Hence it might be indeed regarded as a separate war, but I would rather wait to see how these events will develop. My very best wishes (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  Would it be accurate to put you down as a Do not list/Wait or are you saying that this should be listed under the American intervention in the Syrian civil war section?--DarkAzure (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, this is Do not list/Wait. Based on current info, the involvement of US to actual combat (such as shooting targets with missiles) is not significant yet. But the Israel-Hezbollah conflict will became bigger, with poorly predictable results. My very best wishes (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

  That is more or less where I am at, too. "Wars involving..." seems a little woolly to me. Selfstudier (talk) 13:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Do not list/wait WP:NOTACRYSTALBALL. We follow, we do not lead. Anything else would be WP:OR. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: My tentative impression is that we ought to wait for greater coverage by RS, and for the results of the RM on the page itself. I do not feel strongly, and if there is further escalation (and, more importantly, further coverage by RS) I would almost certainly support inclusion. I definitely think this RfC should not be closed in a hurry, to give commenters time to see how things unfold. So, to be clear, my vote is not “No, exclude”, it’s “wait for now, but let’s keep the RfC open”. Some relevant articles from RS, posted Nov. 13: Politico; The Guardian; ABC; The Nation (which is more about domestic politics, but may be interesting to some). WillowCity^(talk) 03:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC) Pinged for this RfC by FRS
• Do not list/wait Too early to tell right now. Anything else is OR/feelings. GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment It is well sourced that there was a sustained low intensity conflict against US forces in Syria and Iraq from January 2020 onwards. See here [1]. There had been an article that covered this conflict, which has since been deleted. There was a pause in attacks by these Iranian backed proxy groups during the middle of this year. They restarted after the normalization talks with Israel and Saudi Arabia started to bear fruit in the fall. That there is a proxy conflict between the US and Iran is absolutely clear and well established by reliable sources. Whether or not this current round of fighting is a "separate conflict" from the post January 2020 fighting is a question that has yet to be answered.XavierGreen (talk) 16:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, the attacks on US bases in Iraq and Syria are happening for a number of years already [2], they have only intensified right now. My very best wishes (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Don't you mean No, as in not a new war according to your reasoning? 89.206.112.10 (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  This was a reply to the above conversation, not a new vote. This user has already voted earlier for Do not list/wait. --DarkAzure (talk) 13:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

• No, as of now part of the ongoing American intervention in the Syrian civil war, pending further escalation. 89.206.112.10 (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
• Yes It can be regarded as a separate item, and has its sufficient related sources to indicate its notability. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 08:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
• New/Separate Not that I am any sort of expert, but it seems that if Operation Observant Compass rises to inclusion in the List, then the recent increase in engagements in and around Iraq and Syria are likewise qualified. Plenty of sources. All this said, there is no deadline for inclusion -- it should be discussed for at least a number of days. - Swiss Mister in NY (talk) 19:10, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

United States invasion of Honduras of 1859 : imaginary war?

The United States invasion of Honduras section does not cite any external sources, and only internally links to the spanish page of José Santos Guardiola, which has a small section on Guerra "Honduro-Estadounidense (1859)", but which does not contains any sources at all.

I was not able to find any reference or sources talking about this war after half an hour of research. As the page is protected I can not edit it but I would strongly suggest either adding a reference needed tag right now, or if a verified user has a bit more time to verify references can not be found, removing the content entirely.

Xelote (talk) 14:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Since I was verified after posting this, I removed the section myself, until sources can be found. Xelote (talk) 14:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I am unsure if my edit was correct in terms of table formatting, could someone more experienced with tables check it? Thanks Xelote (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Why is the American-Algerian war not on this list?

The war which occurred from 1785-1795 is oddly not present on this list and I cannot edit it to add it. 92.236.80.105 (talk) 23:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)