Talk:Llanfair-Nant-Gwyn
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I have been looking at the OS map 1:25000. Llanfair-Nant-Gwyn is marked just above the church. Nant Gwyn looks to be ~200yds across the parish boundary which is on the road to the west of the church. Llain-fawr is about three quarters of a mile to the west of the church. Pant-y-Deri, on the Afon Nyfer, looks to be the largest settlement. Castell Llainfawr is just south of Llain-fawr. Spellings from the map. SovalValtos (talk) 03:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have your map, only the 1:50000, but I'm looking at [1] map 15 and Bing OS [2]. And Google satellite pics and my own local knowledge. Nant Gwyn is a farm, as you say in the next parish. Nant Gwyn is also the name of the stream the parish is named for. Llain-fawr (an ancient remnant) is not in the parish. Pant-y-Deri is not a settlement but an old country house and farm; it is not on the Nevern but a tributary. Llanfair-Nant-Gwyn is barely a hamlet, and most properties on the map are farms or cottages. I wasn't sure whether you were asking a question, so I wasn't sure what to answer. Apologies if I have missed the point. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have no local knowledge and was trying to understand the naming, which seems to come from the places to the west of the village rather than in the village itself, also the reason for the church being isolated. Maybe it was financed by the Mansion at Pant-y-Deri? I thought Pant-y-Deri was the largest group of houses in the parish, but thanks to your suggestion of google earth I see that it is mainly farm buildings. I have not found a name for the tributary of Afon Nyver, are you saying that Pant-y-Deri is on the stream called Nant Gwyn or is the stream that runs north to south that disappears from the 1;50000 map at the B4332 the Nant Gwyn? They are not named on any map I have seen. The parish map link is vital as it is so difficult to pick out parish boundaries from OS maps. Sorry to intrude on your work on Pembrokeshire villages again, soon to be published as TH's Pembrokeshire Parish Progress? I am not expecting a reply, just putting on record some thoughts which another editor in the future might use as a start. SovalValtos (talk) 12:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's quite likely the owners of Pantyderi financed the church originally - it often happened. I imagine Nant Gwyn stream is the one flowing south from southeast of Nant Gwyn Farm - I have no name for the one by Pantyderi (yet). Like you, I am always keen to be accurate about names and places, but with parish boundaries changing over time, it's difficult. It's not an intrusion, by the way, but always a welcome discussion point. I hope eventually to be able to include more detail on the many mansions in these parts because their histories tell more about the villages than is available elsewhere (see my addition to Abercych today). Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Welsh Mansions seem to have a particular local meaning, nearer to an English manor house than an English mansion. I have not looked far, but are there decent books on them? Economic, cultural and ownership patterns through time all to be understood. Mansions is good, but not much directly on Welsh mansions. SovalValtos (talk) 23:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- "Mansion", as I understand it, is a term interchangeable with country house, manor house, estate... and usually refers to the ancestral seat of a particular family. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- "Mansion", as I understand it, is a term interchangeable with country house, manor house, estate... and usually refers to the ancestral seat of a particular family. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have started a commons cat Mansion, Wales, with a few entries. It can be populated as we go along or by going back over some of the article User:Tony Holkham created. SovalValtos (talk) 23:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have just found a commons cat already existed (Mansions in Wales), so will have to undo do my version when I work out how. SovalValtos (talk) 23:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- To editor SovalValtos: I've updated the article re the above discussion about the un-named stream, though the name is not clear on the manuscript. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have just found a commons cat already existed (Mansions in Wales), so will have to undo do my version when I work out how. SovalValtos (talk) 23:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Welsh Mansions seem to have a particular local meaning, nearer to an English manor house than an English mansion. I have not looked far, but are there decent books on them? Economic, cultural and ownership patterns through time all to be understood. Mansions is good, but not much directly on Welsh mansions. SovalValtos (talk) 23:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- It's quite likely the owners of Pantyderi financed the church originally - it often happened. I imagine Nant Gwyn stream is the one flowing south from southeast of Nant Gwyn Farm - I have no name for the one by Pantyderi (yet). Like you, I am always keen to be accurate about names and places, but with parish boundaries changing over time, it's difficult. It's not an intrusion, by the way, but always a welcome discussion point. I hope eventually to be able to include more detail on the many mansions in these parts because their histories tell more about the villages than is available elsewhere (see my addition to Abercych today). Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- I have no local knowledge and was trying to understand the naming, which seems to come from the places to the west of the village rather than in the village itself, also the reason for the church being isolated. Maybe it was financed by the Mansion at Pant-y-Deri? I thought Pant-y-Deri was the largest group of houses in the parish, but thanks to your suggestion of google earth I see that it is mainly farm buildings. I have not found a name for the tributary of Afon Nyver, are you saying that Pant-y-Deri is on the stream called Nant Gwyn or is the stream that runs north to south that disappears from the 1;50000 map at the B4332 the Nant Gwyn? They are not named on any map I have seen. The parish map link is vital as it is so difficult to pick out parish boundaries from OS maps. Sorry to intrude on your work on Pembrokeshire villages again, soon to be published as TH's Pembrokeshire Parish Progress? I am not expecting a reply, just putting on record some thoughts which another editor in the future might use as a start. SovalValtos (talk) 12:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)