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Lodi Era Map[edit]

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References

  1. ^ http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/graphics/india1500.jpg

Lodhi vs Lodi[edit]

Lodhi is the proper spelling. Siddiqui 16:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the correct spelling is Lodi. Lodi is a Pashtun tribe and in Pashto it is written as لودي not لودهي - without a ه/h. پښتانه stands for Pashtuns. If you google both "لودهي پښتانه" (Lodhi Pashtuns) and "لودي پښتانه" (Lodi Pashtuns) in Pashto, the result will be
I also have two books written on Pashtun tribes, "Pashtanay Qabeelay" and "Hayat e Afghani" and they both spell it as "Lodi". Therefore, the word Lodhi of this article (and other articles related to Lodi/Lodhi) should be changed to Lodi, however we should include "Lodhi" in the brackets (not in the title) because a lot of poeple spell it as "Lodhi" eventhough it is incorrect. (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Britanica[1], New World Encyclopedia[2], MSN [3] and several other major sites/books/encyclopedias use "Lodi" instead of "Lodhi". (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345985/Lodi-dynasty
  2. ^ http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Afghan_Lodi_Sultans
  3. ^ http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761588368

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition[edit]

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lodhi dynasty → Lodi dynasty — Lodi is the correct spelling. Britanica and other famous sources use "Lodi" instead of "Lodhi". Refer to the discussion. Ketabtoon (talk) 04:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • Support The correct spelling is Lodi. Lodi is a Pashtun tribe and in Pashto it is written as لودي not لودهي - without a ه/h. پښتانه stands for Pashtuns. If you google both "لودهي پښتانه" (Lodhi Pashtuns) and "لودي پښتانه" (Lodi Pashtuns) in Pashto, the result will be

I also have two books written on Pashtun tribes, "Pashtanay Qabeelay" and "Hayat e Afghani" and they both spell it as "Lodi". Therefore, the word Lodhi of this article (and other articles related to Lodi/Lodhi) should be changed to Lodi, however we should include "Lodhi" in the brackets (not in the title) because a lot of poeple spell it as "Lodhi" eventhough it is incorrect. (Ketabtoon (talk) 04:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Britanica[1], New World Encyclopedia[2], MSN [3] and several other major sites/books/encyclopedias use "Lodi" instead of "Lodhi". Ketabtoon (talk) 06:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

References

  1. ^ http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/345985/Lodi-dynasty
  2. ^ http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Afghan_Lodi_Sultans
  3. ^ http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761588368

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Lodi dynasty pashtun[edit]

Lodi is a sub-group of the Bettani tribe of Pashtuns who live in Afghanistan. The Lodi dynasty was a Pashtun dynasty that ruled the Delhi Sultanate from 1451 to 1526. It was the last dynasty of the Sultanate, and was founded by Bahlul Khan Lodi who was also a pashtun leader. I don't know why HistoryofIran interfering in our history do your own business don't interfere in our history. Abdul afghan (talk) 13:08, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight given for ethnicity of dynasty[edit]

User:Fawadlodhi20000 has chosen to not use the article talk page, instead edit warring Afghan into the Lead of this article. And yet there are two sources which call the dynasty "Turco-Afghan".

  • Grewal, J. S. (1990). The New Cambridge History of India. Vol. II. 3: The Sikhs of the Punjab. Cambridge University Press. Page 9.
  • Hartel, Herbert (1997). "India under the Moghol Empire". In Kissling, H. J.; Barbour, N.; Spuler, Bertold; Trimingham, J. S.; Bagley, F. R. C. (eds.). The Last Great Muslim Empires. Brill. Page 261.

As such since there are two different theories concerning the ethnicity/origin of this dynasty, neither should be presented in the LEAD per WP:UNDUE. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22. Afghanistan : A History from 1206 to the Present by Jonathan L. Lee. ‘In 1451 Bahlol an Afghan of the Lodhi tribe ‘ pg 56
I have added my source which is being removed from Wikipidea, , Kindly stick to truth, I was not on Wikipedia so had not known how to reply here earlier.
From my understanding there are no two sources, Afghan or Turco Afghan or Ghilzai Pashtun all mean same thing, however this article is biased and trying to portray something else, The above describes the most accurate that Bahlol an Afghan of the Lodhi tribe.
Because the origin of these Afghan tribes whether eastern Iranian or turkic or Bani Israel/Bin Yamin is only Acadamic as these people came to India and ruled as Afghans. Already an Afghan race with various tribes had come into existence by the time of this dynasty Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To give more perspective if your not understanding what I am saying, is the Afghan tribes trace descent to three major sub groups, Bani Israel is first group, almost a third claim, another 1/3 stick to Eastern Iranian or Indo Aryan, A third Ghilzai which includes Lodhi claim a Turkic link, Now all three became Afghan tribes, so if a Durrani rules we can't say Bani Ishaq or Bani Israel or Bin Yaminite ruled, we say Afghan ruled, same way if a Lodhi ruled we can't say Turk ruled, we say Afghan ruled, Also if Afridi ruled its called Afghan ruled, we don't say Iranian ruled although original Bactrian inhabitants so eastern Iranians, You must respect formation of Afghan race as seperate which will have terms to identify tribe and origin, still remains Afghan rule, Wikipedia is the only source which is unable to understand this till date.
I'll explain it again A french immigrant to usa, his kids become American. Hence its not France conquered Egypt if his son becomes President, but America conquered Egypt. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:57, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "From my understanding there are no two sources, Afghan or Turco Afghan or Ghilzai Pashtun all mean same thing, however this article is biased and trying to portray something else..."
Wikipedia is written using what reliable sources state, not your personal interpretation of sources, not your personal opinion(s), or what you think you know. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Wikipedia is contradicting all available material on record about this dynasty also. I have also given you a source which you are deleting and have no answers for, I can give so many more sources available on wikipedia about Khalji Lodhi dynasty, (read the citations what is written there to understand) and Bahlol Lodhi which contradict you in this article as well. Anyhow feel sad how wikipedia lost all credibility 2603:8080:FAF0:6BC0:68FF:5551:4446:8AF1 (talk) 22:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why doesn't wikipedia explain what they mean TurkoAfghan, does it means turks who became Afghan or does it mean just Turks, your comment though scarcastic is sad, I havn't interpreted anything, or no personal opinion. How about your interpretations and opinions. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I assume that's your IP, Fawadlodhi20000? Anyways, I agree with Kansas Bear. The claim that "Turco-Afghan" equals "Ghilzai Pashtun" is a new one, do you have any source which says that? The two cited sources that say "Turco-Afghan" certainly do not mention this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is on wikipedia itself read the article with citation Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:57, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please link that supposed citation. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Judith Walsh, A Brief History of India, ISBN 978-0816083626, p 81; Quote: "The last dynasty was founded by a Sayyid provincial governor, Buhlul Lodi (r. 1451–89). The Lodis were descended from Afghans, and under their rule Afghans eclipsed Turks in court patronage."
Delhi Sultanate under Lodhi dynasty:A complete overview Jagranjosh.com 31 March 2017.
Ramananda Chatterjee(1961)The modern review Vol 109 Indiana University P84.
Afghanistan:A History from 1206 to Present, Jonathan L. Lee, Pg 56, "In 1451 Bahlol Khan, an Afghan of the Lodhi tribe deposed the then sultan and founded a second Afghan Sultanate."
Found these four references on Wikipedia,
someone removed the Ghilzai are TurcoAfghan reference, will definately find and post it. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So you have no source that says Turco-Afghan = Ghilzai Pashtun as you kept claiming. I think that's an end to this discussion. Also, "Jagranjosh.com" is not WP:RS, and Judith E. Walsh's book is pretty low quality compared to what we have. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What about Jonathan L. Lee whose quote you never reply to , should I say end of discusssion Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
History of Medieval India: From 1000 A.D. to 1707 A.D. by Radhey Shyam Chaurasia, Pg 84, "Bahlol may truly be described as the first Afghan Sultan. He was the leader of the Lodhi tribe of Afghans."
In the meanwhile these quotes from wikipedia will help Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have source is being deleted don't jump the gun so fast It was Sunil Delhi University, will post stay calm Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am completely calm. Let's pretend even such source existed, then WP:UNDUE would still apply, as other sources clearly don't consider "Turko-Afghan" = "Ghilzai Pashtun" to be the case. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Radhey Shyam ended your discussion, Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop trying to read my mind. I think that you should WP:DROPTHESTICK and read WP:POV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You were trying to read mine Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have specific quote they don't consider Turko Afghan arn't Ghilzai Pashtun, end of discussion Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to C. E. Bosworth, the Ghilzai, who make up the majority of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan, are the modern result of the Khalaj assimilation into the Pashtuns.
Pierre Oberling(15December2010). KALAJiTRIBE, Encyclopedia Iranica Retrieved 4 July 2020. "Indeed it seems very likely that the Khalaj formed the core of the Pashto speaking Ghilji Tribe."
These two sources should help from Wikipedia Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol 3, Pg 182, "Afghan Khalaj became the Pashto speaking Ghalzay or Ghilzai tribe of Afghans."
This is what I was saying, above reference is from wikipedia. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, it has nothing to do with the origin of the Lodi dynasty, there's not a single mention of Lodi dynasty being Ghilzai in that article nor by the WP:RS listed in this talk page, and thus I will repeat what Kansas Bear just told you; "Wikipedia is written using what reliable sources state, not your personal interpretation of sources, not your personal opinion(s), or what you think you know." Look, I'm gonna be blunt here; Unless you don't have enough WP:RS that states that the Lodi was Afghan to the degree that the Turco-Afghan origin bit becomes WP:UNDUE, you will never be able to succeed with your edits. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will also repeat Khalaj were called Turco Afghan, so many sources directly call them Lodhi Afghan, you can't answer me basically. People like you gave wikipedia a bad name unfortunately Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol 3, Pg 182, "Afghan Khalaj became the Pashto speaking Ghalzay or Ghilzai tribe of Afghans." by Ahmad Hasan Dani Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is just WP:TENDENTIOUS and WP:OR at this rate, with a little sprinkle of WP:NPA. I'm out. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Am replying to your baseless allegations. Lodhis are a sub division of Khilji/Ghilzai tribe of Afghans, who better than descendents to open your eyes. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bahlul Khan Lodi (12 July 1489) was the chief of the Afghan Lodi tribe. Founder of the Lodi dynasty from the Delhi Sultanate upon the abdication of the last claimant from the previous Sayyid rule. Bahlul became sultan of the dynasty on 19 April 1451 (855 AH).
From Wikipedia Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bosworth, Clifford Edmund(1996) The New Islamic Dynasties. Columbia University Press p 304, ISBN 978-0231107143 is Wikipedia source Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 00:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Chandra Satish (2005) Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals, PartII, Har Anand Publications. ISBN 978-81-241-1066-9. "The Firstof these was the death of Afghan ruler, Sikandar Lodhi, at Agra towards the end of 1517 and the succession of Ibrahim Khan Lodhi."
Sengupta Sudensha. History and Civics9, Ratna Sagar p126, ISBN 9788183323642. "The Lodi dynasty was established by Ghilzai tribe of Afghans."
Above two references help you understand, not my understanding or perspective , again both from Wikipedia Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So much for being out. Sudeshna Sengupta is not WP:RS. And fyi, If you try to edit war in the article or comment on me again, I will report you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly am giving you various sources and you choose to be silent on most, but comment only on a few because you feel it suits you, I should be one reporting you, if you can't talk then don't comment on this talk. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 11:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No you are spamming the talk page and making childish remarks towards me, which I have tried to ignore. Report me then, go on - I will enjoy the WP:OUCH. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:53, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Giving references is spamming talk page is it, Was only replying to your threats of reporting me, who is childish here can be seen by number of references I gave above Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That makes no sense, as I literally just told you that I would report you, and you have been making childish remarks since the start. This is like speaking to a wall. Anyhow, remember what I told you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No you have not come up with any sources and your comments are sarcastic and cherry picked replies, so if 3 sources are shown you only comment on one and ignore remaining two, ignoring various citations, about childish you seem much more to me from start, yes I told you same as well on reporting Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 12:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Historians of Afghan Rule in India, Journal of the American Oriental Society Vol82,1962, p44, Hameed ud Din "They were superseded in 1451 by the Lodi Afghans who extended boundaries of Sultanate." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 12:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the most part I gather information on this talk page,
The Sikhs of the Punjab: Grewal J.S, p4, "This position was inherited by the Afghan ruler Bahlol Lodhi in the late fifteenth century." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 12:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hartel 1997 p 261 called "The Turco-Afghan sultans of the Lodi Dynasty... Or Ghilzai Pashtun", Hartel had said this, which is conveniently removed from Wikipedia I found in previous edition of Wikipedia, as p261 is unavailable online but a reading of p262 which is available proves he considered them Afghan as he called the Suri dynasty the second Afghan empire. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Was able to get p261, Hartel uses term "Turco-Afghan sultans of the Lodi Dynasty", in same para and page "Ibrahim lacked the power to impose obedience on the Afghan noblemen" Hence Hartel used words interchangeable, He describes this noblemen whom he called Afghan was "his mightiest vassal Dawlat Khan Lodhi" in same para. In p262 Hartel calls Suri Empire "second short lived Afghan Empire in north India"
So Yes he didn't use word Ghilzai Pashtun as someone had inserted in Wikipedia , but used Turco-Afghan and Afghan interchangeable. This is the reference you are using to not accept Afghan. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 13:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have quoted the below for you at one place, First your two authors replied what they said, then few more to show there is consensus on them being Afghan.
The Sikhs of the Punjab: Grewal J.S, p4, "This position was inherited by the Afghan ruler Bahlol Lodhi in the late fifteenth century."
Hartel uses term p261 "Turco-Afghan sultans of the Lodi Dynasty", in same para and page "Ibrahim lacked the power to impose obedience on the Afghan noblemen" , He describes this noblemen whom he called Afghan was "his mightiest vassal Dawlat Khan Lodhi" in same para. In p262 Hartel calls Suri Empire "second short lived Afghan Empire in north India"
So, he used Turco-Afghan and Afghan interchangeable. This is the reference you are using to not accept Afghan.
Bahlul Khan Lodi (12 July 1489) was the chief of the Afghan Lodi tribe. Bosworth, Clifford Edmund(1996) The New Islamic Dynasties. Columbia University Press p 304, ISBN 978-0231107143
Afghanistan: A History from 1206 to Present, Jonathan L. Lee, Pg 56, "In 1451 Bahlol Khan, an Afghan of the Lodhi tribe deposed the then sultan and founded a second Afghan Sultanate."
History of Medieval India: From 1000 A.D. to 1707 A.D. by Radhey Shyam Chaurasia, Pg 84, "Bahlol may truly be described as the first Afghan Sultan. He was the leader of the Lodhi tribe of Afghans."
Historians of Afghan Rule in India, Journal of the American Oriental Society Vol82,1962, p44, Hameed ud Din "They were superseded in 1451 by the Lodi Afghans who extended boundaries of Sultanate."
Judith Walsh, A Brief History of India, ISBN 978-0816083626, p 81; Quote: "The last dynasty was founded by a Sayyid provincial governor, Buhlul Lodi (r. 1451–89). The Lodis were descended from Afghans, and under their rule Afghans eclipsed Turks in court patronage."
Chandra Satish (2005) Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals, Part II, Har Anand Publications. ISBN 978-81-241-1066-9. "The Firstof these was the death of Afghan ruler, Sikandar Lodhi, at Agra towards the end of 1517 and the succession of Ibrahim Khan Lodhi."
Sengupta Sudensha. History and Civics9, Ratna Sagar p126, ISBN 9788183323642. "The Lodi dynasty was established by Ghilzai tribe of Afghans."
History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol 3, Pg 182, "Afghan Khalaj became the Pashto speaking Ghalzay or Ghilzai tribe of Afghans." by Ahmad Hasan Dani
Last one is also interesting explains why Turco Afghan word was used once or twice, but let it not deviate the issue at hand, as we are doing scholarship work. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding more quotes , The Sikhs of Punjab, J.S. Grewal, P9 "the transition from Afghan to Mughal rule in the Punjab and in northern India." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Sikhs of Punjab, J.S Grewal p13, "The land of the five rivers had remained under Turkish and Afghan rule for five centuries." Probably referring to Turkish rule before Lodhi Afghans. Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 19:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
History of Medieval India, VD Mahajan, p244, "Bahlol enlisted a large number of Afghans of his own tribe in the army." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Essays on Islam and Indian history by Richard Maxwell Eaton, 2001, p109 "In the early sixteenth century, when the Lodi dynasty of Afghans sought to reassert Delhi's sovereignty over neighbouring Rajput houses." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Islamic Civilization in South Asia, Burjor Avari, P82, "Between 1451 to 1526, the Afghan family of Lodis - Bahlul, Sikander, and Ibrahim controlled the sultanate." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight of ethnicity of dynasty[edit]

Earlier Undue weight for dynasty became too lengthy for most to read so gist below why dynasty is Afghan. 

1. The Sikhs of the Punjab: Grewal J.S, p4, "This position was inherited by the Afghan ruler Bahlol Lodhi in the late fifteenth century."

P9 "the transition from Afghan to Mughal rule in the Punjab and in northern India." P13, "The land of the five rivers had remained under Turkish and Afghan rule for five centuries." What he meant by TurkoAfghan rule is Delhi Sultanate in which Lodi was Afghan rule.

2. Hartel uses term p261 "Turco-Afghan sultans of the Lodi Dynasty", in same para and page "Ibrahim lacked the power to impose obedience on the Afghan noblemen". He describes this noblemen whom he called Afghan was "his mightiest vassal Dawlat Khan Lodhi" in same para. In p262 Hartel calls Suri Empire "second short lived Afghan Empire in north India". Shows he also considered Lodi to be Afghan and Suri to be second Afghan empire.

3. Bahlul Khan Lodi (12 July 1489) was the chief of the Afghan Lodi tribe. Bosworth, Clifford Edmund(1996) The New Islamic Dynasties. Columbia University Press p 304, ISBN 978-0231107143

4. Afghanistan: A History from 1206 to Present, Jonathan L. Lee, Pg 56, "In 1451 Bahlol Khan, an Afghan of the Lodhi tribe deposed the then sultan and founded a second Afghan Sultanate."

5. History of Medieval India: From 1000 A.D. to 1707 A.D. by Radhey Shyam Chaurasia, Pg 84, "Bahlol may truly be described as the first Afghan Sultan. He was the leader of the Lodhi tribe of Afghans."

6. Historians of Afghan Rule in India, Journal of the American Oriental Society Vol82,1962, p44, Hameed ud Din "They were superseded in 1451 by the Lodi Afghans who extended boundaries of Sultanate."

7. Judith Walsh, A Brief History of India, ISBN 978-0816083626, p 81; Quote: "The last dynasty was founded by a Sayyid provincial governor, Buhlul Lodi (r. 1451–89). The Lodis were descended from Afghans, and under their rule Afghans eclipsed Turks in court patronage."

8. Chandra Satish (2005) Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals, Part II, Har Anand Publications. ISBN 978-81-241-1066-9. "The First of these was the death of Afghan ruler, Sikandar Lodhi, at Agra towards the end of 1517 and the succession of Ibrahim Khan Lodhi."

9. Sengupta Sudensha. History and Civics9, Ratna Sagar p126, ISBN 9788183323642. "The Lodi dynasty was established by Ghilzai tribe of Afghans."

10. History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol 3, Pg 182, "Afghan Khalaj became the Pashto speaking Ghalzay or Ghilzai tribe of Afghans." by Ahmad Hasan Dani

11. History of Medieval India, VD Mahajan, P244, "Bahlol enlisted a large number of Afghans of his own tribe in the army."

12. Essays on Islam and Indian history by Richard Maxwell Eaton, 2001, p109 "In the early sixteenth century, when the Lodi dynasty of Afghans sought to reassert Delhi's sovereignty over neighbouring Rajput houses."

13. Islamic Civilization in South Asia, Burjor Avari, P82, "Between 1451 to 1526, the Afghan family of Lodis - Bahlul, Sikander, and Ibrahim controlled the sultanate.

14. Mewar & the Mughal Emperors (1526 -1707) by Gopi Nath Sharma 1954, P25 "Escaped Unhurt from the field of Panipat and was saluted as Sultan of the Hindustan by the fleeing Afghans" referring to Mahmud Lodi brother of Ibrahim Lodi.

15. The Making of the Indo-Islamic World C700-1800CE, by Andre Wink, P83, "These included the immediate ancestors of Bahlol Lodi, the founder of the Afghan dynasty that was to rule in Delhi." Fawadlodhi20000 (talk) 20:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2023[edit]

Bloop 91 (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i don't know how you guys accepted an unreliable source calling the lodis turko afghan, all of ancient sources agree that they were afghans from shahu khail tribe, for example you can check tarikh e sher shahi.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 12:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2024[edit]

Please mention the number of temples destroyed, it is highly accepted and backed that 11,000 temples were destroyed by him during his time. Vaibav M (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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