Talk:Love Is Here to Stay

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Notable Recordings[edit]

I'm not quite sure what the answer is to this question, but I have noticed the section "Notable Recordings" has grown quite extensively with a list of names and recordings. What constitutes notability for inclusion in this category? Simply an editor's preference for their favorite album or artist? It is a highly covered ballad and I can see this section being added to indefinitely without real warrant for the guidelines of notability inclusion. Any thoughts? Maineartists (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Honeymooners[edit]

@Nuitetjour: I saw you made the following (updated) edit: "An instrumental version of the song is heard at the conclusion of various episodes of TV's The Honeymooners, including one in which Alice turns to Ralph and says:" Does the 1993 NYT source that accompanied the previous content: "An instrumental version of the song is heard in an episode of TV's The Honeymooners when Alice turns to Ralph and says" also support your updated edit as well? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nuitetjour: Your recent edit here not only removed a sourced claim, but inserted unsourced content based in WP:OR. You must know that this will be challenged and reverted. Unless you have reason to remove the original content stating the specific episode with a 1993 NYT source; and a cited source to back the claim that the song was used in "various episodes of TV's The Honeymooners", the original content will be reinstated and remain. Your history summary is not enough. Maineartists (talk) 22:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike you, apparently, I have VIEWED many episodes of The Honeymooners, and I can attest that the instrumental version of this song is used in VARIOUS episodes, not solely in the one you mention and cite. Your sole citation of one episode INACCURATELY suggests that this is the only instance in which it is employed in the series when, in fact, it is NOT. That you seem ignorant of this fact strongly postulates that you are hardly a contributor who should be editing it at all.

You should also be made aware that not every fact in a Wiki entry necessarily needs a "cited source" to demonstrate its veracity. Example: In the article on the sun, "The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System" is not supported by citation for it is a widely-accepted fact negating the need for citation. Likewise, the fact that this song is used in many a Honeymooners episode, not just one, is easily observable to any viewer of this series and which, while there may not exist a source to cite, is still a fact that deserves to be included here.

Noting that you have been editing this article dating as far back as 2016, I remind you that you do not possess proprietary rights to it; it is open to one and all to edit, including by those who obviously possess more knowledge on the subject than do you. I will not engage in an edit war with you, for you seem to me neither a reasonable nor rational contributor, and I've read and heard all about contributors like you, who will tenaciously and mule-headedly cling to their inaccuracies despite the corrective efforts of others, posing more harm than good to this site. Nuitetjour (talk) 00:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nuitetjour Thank you for responding. I am not discounting that you have viewed many episodes of The Honeymooners and can attest that the instrumental version of this song is used in various episodes, however, this claim is WP:OR and cannot be admitted, as you know. I'm not sure comparing the Sun example to a song played at the end of the television series The Honeymooners presents a clear case for "cited sources", since that statement is the first line in the lead paragraph and leads do not require citations per MOS. I do not claim to know more than any other editor on this particular article or subject. I am simply going by what WP policy states for inclusion of content. It is not my sole citation currently stated in the section, since I did not make the entry. Another editor did. That being said, your claim: the "sole citation of one episode INACCURATELY suggests that this is the only instance in which it is employed in the series when, in fact, it is NOT" is simply not correct. The source backs the claim that it plays after this particular episode. It does not state that it is the only episode within the series which the song plays after. As I wrote earlier, simply provide a source that backs the claim that the song plays at the end of "various" or even "several" episodes of The Honeymooners and the content can be reinstated without challenge. I'm not sure your descriptions of me are justified, since I too have been searching for a source to back your claim. Unfortunately, I have not been successful; but I will keep trying. Even the article on The Honeymooners does not state this claim, as the "Ending Theme Music" is the song: "You're My Greatest Love"; which is more accurate. In truth, "Our Love Is Here To Stay" is played under spoken dialogue when Ralph and Alice are making up. I just watched "The New Bowling Ball". Regardless, I cannot introduce this without a source. It is still WP:OR. Maineartists (talk) 01:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Resolved Sources found enough to reinstate. Maineartists (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]