Talk:Lower Decks (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

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Untitled[edit]

Are the writing and directing credit right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.126.234 (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Overstated[edit]

The statement in the "Legacy" section about "Doctor-lite" episodes is grossly overstated. This so-called "annual tradition" occurred only three times in consecutive series ("Love and Monsters" 2006, "Blink" 2007, "Turn Left"/"Midnight" 2008) and not at all since. That hardly qualifies as a tradition. 73.180.197.201 (talk) 15:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Babylon 5[edit]

The 1998 Babylon 5 episode 'A View from the Gallery' also tells the story from the point-of-view of characters who aren't in the command structure: in that case two maintenance engineers. 203.56.94.11 (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 August 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There is broad consensus that the new series is now primary over the episode, with page views as one of the evidence points.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Lower Decks → Lower Decks (Star Trek: The Next Generation) – A new Star Trek series called Star Trek: Lower Decks has been released today. It would make sense to the page "Lower Decks" to redirect to the series. One could expect that more people would be looking up "lower decks" the series compared to the next generation episode. Oldag07 (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Makes sense, it's the current better known of the two. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - seems like a "solution" to what might only be a short-term, minor problem that only accompanies the launch of a new series. Not enough to warrant displacing an article which has been here for 14 years. The hatnote will do a fine job getting the very few people that land here to their destination. No evidence that new series is commonly also known as "Lower Decks" (ie without the "Star Trek:")-- Netoholic @ 19:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Per nom. Also, page view statistics support the animated series being the primary topic for "Lower Decks", with clear spikes on that title that match announcements and premiere of the series. - BilCat (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Page view spikes for such events should not be considered. Compare baseline interest, not outliers. We also shouldn't hold RM discussions during such spikes. -- Netoholic @ 02:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? The page views per month for this article are quite low except for the spikes. And I'm not referring to the spikes on Star Trek: Lower Decks, whose views are noticeably higher over the same period. - BilCat (talk) 02:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spikes in one topic naturally can cause spikes on DAB pages or similarly-titled articles as people land at the wrong place. Hatnotes are how we can most often help them. For this page name change though, we need evidence that the 2020 show is commonly-called simply "Lower Decks", but there is no evidence yet of that. -- Netoholic @ 02:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The only evidence we need is that readers are searching for TV series when they type in "Lower Decks". and the page views support that. BilCat (talk) 03:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"only evidence"? No. Read WP:ARTICLETITLES. -- Netoholic @ 03:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have. You read WP:PRIMARY TOPIC. - BilCat (talk) 03:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Show evidence that the 2020 show has the WP:COMMONNAME of "Lower Decks". -- Netoholic @ 03:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I already have. I'll let the closer judge for themself. - BilCat (talk) 03:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your "evidence" seems to only be the page views of the Wikipedia articles (I'll ignore the fact that you haven't provided evidence, just stated that it is so), but WP:COMMONNAME ask for evidence in the form of "prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources". Wikipedia cannot be a source of evidence for itself... that's WP:OR. -- Netoholic @ 03:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Page views are evidence in determining a primary topic, which has nothing to do with the Common Name. As of now, the common name for the series is "Star Trek: Lower Decks". Moving this article won't change that. BilCat (talk) 03:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're putting the cart before the horse. We first determine the commonname of the articles, and only then look at usage evidence of those articles where there are conflicting potential titles. But I do thank you for at least acknowledging that the new series is NOT commonly called "Lower Decks". -- Netoholic @ 04:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's because this discussion isn't about the common name, nor should it be. It's about what readers are searching for when they type in "Lower Decks", ie. what's the primary topic. And right now all evidence shows it's the series. BilCat (talk) 04:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note it isn't Star Trek: The Final Frontier. It is Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, usually shortened to "Star Trek 5". Oldag07 (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Netoholic, the hatnote should be fine to redirect anyone who comes here looking for the new series, without unnecessary disambiguation. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lets note that this series already has a second season ordered. The run time of the first season alone will be 5 times longer than the episode. And one must also mention the marketing disparity between a single episode of TNG and a whole series. Oldag07 (talk) 02:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is evidence. The first 30 hits in a G-search came up for the new series. Ghits aren't conclusive, but it is indicative. BilCat (talk) 03:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HITS are prone to bias. -- Netoholic @ 03:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but is there any real doubt? The STNG episode is likely of far lower notability than an Iron Maiden album. And I say that as someone who's never knowingly listened to an Iron Maiden song, and is a fan of that STNG episode. - BilCat (talk) 03:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And having made the grave mistake of watching the STLD trailer, I've no intention of ever seeing the series. But I can read the tea leaves. BilCat (talk) 03:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Among Star Trek fans, I have observed that most fans will use the word "Star Trek" as a prefix when talking about the TOS, and TNG. However, fans will generally call the rest of the series, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, Enterprise, Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks, without that prefix words. Moreover, when it comes to episodes, the average fan couldn't tell you the title of the episode they just watched. Especially before internet usage was ubiquitous which is when this episode aired. The episode Lower Decks, is just as likely to be referred to as "that episode that focused on the non-officers" when discussed in casual conversation. Now, if Lower Decks was an episode of a different media franchise, I think you have a point Netoholic. But because this is between two Star Trek things within the same franchise, the vernacular of the fan base really matters. Does this topic really matter enough for me to take the time to prove my antidote, No. But I have a feeling many Star Trek fans will agree with me. Oldag07 (talk) 04:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and per lower decks itself. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As Captain Picard always used to say, we must not let the fact that every new entry under the Star Trek IP in this century has been more embarrassing, pedestrian, depressing, cynical, nihilistic and devoid of any real artistic merit if judged as a product science fiction than the last one allow to cloud our judgment. For the reasons outlined above, this change is, unfortunately, the correct thing to do.AngryHarpy (talk) 09:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:NCTV: where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element). "From the show" can also be interpreted as "from the same franchise". -- /Alex/21 06:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Inaccuracy?[edit]

In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission.

I just watched this episode—and of the four junior officers it follows, only Sito Jaxa is involved in the mission. She's the only one who even knows about it. Should this be corrected, or am I missing something? – AndyFielding (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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