Talk:Luton Airport

Citation Needed

Do we really need a "citation needed" at the end of every sentence? I mean it's a fact that Luton is roughly 30 miles north of London - other than saying "look at a map" what else are we meant to do? Anyway it makes the article unreadable with these things all over the page. 86.10.102.62 17:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The point is that the article is factually meaningless without the citations. We cant remove the tags unless we provide references for them.-- Flymeoutofhere 18:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well "editors" on most other articles seem able to come to consensus without sticking tags at the end of every easily verifiable statement. Isn't the "Articles in Need of Sources" enough? I don't know, I'm just a casual user, but it's not very impressive. 86.10.102.62 03:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, someone has got a bit 'citation'-happy with this. Putting citation on the location etc is rather pathetic as to follow this every single article about a place needs many more citations.--GazMan7 11:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC) Most of the history stuff can easily be referenced to http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/content/4/117/airport-history.html

I've fixed the overuse of cite-fact tags on this article. I checked the content against the official history page of the airport, and then just tagged each graph as necessary, with supplemental sources for some facts. As of now, every 'graph in the history section has appropriate citations, and the introduction, as well. I respect the fact that the person who added these tags wanted to make sure that things were sourced, but they went overboard. As per basic referencing, a single citation per paragraph is adequate if all statements in that paragraph come from a single source. Sacxpert 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Photographs

Does anyone have any additional photos which could enhance the article? Maybe of the new terminal area? Flymeoutofhere 09:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

??

Why is the sentence: This airport is also used by the England football team when flying out to international games. bolded in the article, and why is it in the History section?? Jake95 17:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Largest Airplane

Does anyone know what is the largest airplane that can operate from Luton?

I do of course mean when full of passengers etc and not empty.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.13.41.18 (talk) 22:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Boeing 767-200/300. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.52.71 (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Just to update you. There has been some unscheduled 747's in Luton. And the odd 777 of El Al (81.147.170.85 (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)).

steep dropoff

A steep dropoff to the town of Luton sounds impressive but it's meaningless. It's lorry-driver English. To be encyclopedic, the entry would talk about the relative heights of airport and town-centre and, if appropriate, any cliffs or steep inclines between them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Pauldanon (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC).

Hello Pauldanon. Thanks for your comment. Please feel free to go ahead and improve the article as you suggest. -- Chris j wood 12:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious if you look at the Ordnance Survey map here: [1]. THe western end of the runway is about 155 metres AMSL, the A1081 and the railway line are at about 115 metres. If it wasn't for this sudden drop, the planes taking of in this direction would have trouble clearing the factories and railway line at the end of the runway! TiffaF 14:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

London ?

I notice that a London portal has just been added to the article and it is part of the London project. Just curious as to why as the airport is not actually in London? MilborneOne (talk) 20:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Indeed! Luton Airport is not in London. It's quite a long way from London. It is owned by Luton Borough Council, not London. So, why the hell should it be called 'London' Luton Airport? Bloody fools!

MilborneOne. There is no airport in London, because there's not enough room for one! However, Heathrow is in 'Greater' London and so that could be correctly classed as London Heathrow Airport.

92.239.71.235 (talk) 01:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The London prefix makes very little sense. Gatwick Airport is not tagged London, why on Earth should Luton Airpot have this tag, and if it does, then why doesn't Gatwick? waltonkbbl (talk) 13:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

They use the name so to try to get more people using it to & from London, but the airport is like a third world country airport, you cant even pick up or drop off at the entance, that is a 2 minute walk away in all weather's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.94.158 (talk) 13:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

El Al

Why did El Al choose to fly to London Luton seen as its mostly a low cost airport. I couldn't expect that they would be carrying heavy numbers of passengers to Tel Aviv on a regular basis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.222.172 (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Distances

Why are distances in this article measured in Nautical Miles? It is land after all right? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

2013 Luton Airport Facebook Controversy

On 14th March 2013, a new member of staff posted the picture of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248 crash on Luton Airport's official Facebook page. The picture sparked complaints, with the caption of, "Because we are such a super airport...this is what we prevent you from when it snows...Weeeee :)" I'm not sure this is 100% relevant, so I shall leave it here along with a BBC source that someone may add in should they please. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-21782339 Predspread (talk) 17:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks but not really notable. MilborneOne (talk) 20:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Luton Airport

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Luton Airport's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "W6/WU13":

• From Dubai World Central - Al Maktoum International Airport: W6/WU13
• From Cluj International Airport: New route to DWC

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Do Thomas Cook Fly From Luton?

I recently made an edit stating that Thomas Cook fly from Luton to Dalaman, ending on 31st July. There was a reference provided and another editor as removed it. That editor looks like he DID not read the reference.

3 Things Here

- The reference IS the TCX TIMETABLE, if there IS any false information it would be REMOVED. - If you are REMOVING something and state a reason and the other editor disagrees with it you MAKE sure they read your reference. - If it continues to happen you get other users to join the conversation. RMS52 (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, I appreciate you are editing the Luton Airport page in good faith, however Thomas Cook do not operate flights from Luton to any destinations. Their website is a little bit confusing but if you go through the flight booking process on Thomas Cooks own website it clearly states that the flight to Dalaman is operated by Thomson Airways.

It is my understanding that they use both Thomson and Monarch for flights but the holidays are still with Thomas Cook

Hope this solves the issue.

Can you please sign your comment? RMS52 (talk) 12:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I will also look into finding more sources RMS52 (talk) 12:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks everyone, if Thomas Cook use Thomson for Dalaman flights, I will change the edit to (operated by Thomson), as always its hard to know if its operated by another airline if your looking at a timetable RMS52 (talk) 12:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Operator

At the website of London Luton Airport, it is stated in the History section that in November 2013 London Luton Airport Operations Limited was acquired by a consortium of which the majority shareholder is Aena, the world’s largest airport operator, and Ardian, a major European investor. - Bramvr (talk) 14:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 24 August 2018

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Luton Airport → London Luton Airport – This is the legal name and branding used for the airport Angryskies (talk) 13:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Possibly also Luton International Airport per Ordnance Survey, however A-Z calls is "London Luton Airport" which is based on OS, however the website and most things that a "Luton International Airport" search throws up call it London Luton Airport so that appear to be the most common name. Interestingly Heathrow is "Heathrow Airport London" but "London Heathrow Airport" to A-Z and Ashford is Lydd (London Ashford Airport) but London Ashford (Lydd) to A-Z. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Dont have a strong view other than not using International, the CAA aerodrome operating certificate actually calls it "Luton" or "Luton Aerodrome" but legally all the UK airports are actually aerodromes! Note the "legal name" refered to by the proposer is actually the name of the company that operates it not the name of the actual aerodrome. MilborneOne (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

From what I have seen the common name is Luton Airport, but whether that could be proved I am not sure. In a recent press article [2] London was only used at the start, with individuals preferring Luton Airport simple.SovalValtos (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support Per MilborneOne this appears to suggest the "International" is the company. I think "London Luton Airport" is its proper name, with it commonly being shortened to "Luton Airport" per WP:PRECISION we usually don't shorten for the same reason as Microsoft Windows. Rhode Island is different as the "full" name doesn't appear on third party sources or its website. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support The correct name is London Luton Airport and is the Company name for the airport is the same. David J Johnson (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose in a google search "London Luton Airport" gets 1,200,000 hits whereas "Luton Airport" gets 2,940,000 hits.SovalValtos (talk) 10:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME, as evidenced by SovalValtos above. Also Crouch, Swale's comment above is the opposite of the policy. Given a choice between two titles "Luton Airport" and "London Luton Airport", with no other reason to choose one over the other, WP:CONCISE says we should go with the shorter one. WP:PRECISION doesn't affect our choice, because both titles clearly identify this subject and this subject only.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

  The evidence appears to be that "London Luton Airport" is the proper and formal name as it is used by both maps and its website. I think its just that its common to shorten it to "Luton Airport". This seems similar to Microsoft Windows over Windows than Rhode Island over State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations but I'm not entirely sure. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. This is a rather pathetic attempt by Luton to pretend it is near London, rather than at least an hour away. Nobody calls it this. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Wrong, it is only 22mins away by rail. The second quickest journey time to any major airport from central London. "Nobody calls it this" is a WP:POV comment, if that was the case, why does IATA and international airlines refer to "London Luton Airport"? David J Johnson (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

How many trains are that quick? "Nobody calls it this" is just a statement of common local usage. Johnbod (talk) 17:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Glasgow Airport uses "London Luton Airport", as does Edinburgh Airport use "London Luton" for example. Newark Liberty International Airport also includes "London" for the other London airports but it doesn't have one for Luton. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. London might be in the current branding and/or legal name, but it isn't in the common name. The airport is the primary topic for this title so there is no need to use the official name as disambiguation. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  I'd say its more likely to just be a short name, as far as I can see the "London" is likely part of the printed name, just like people regally call Arsenal F.C. just Arsenal. If this is the case then a {{redirect}} template should be used instead. However if we aren't sure if Luton International Airport or London Luton Airport is its formal name, then using the "short" name might be better for that reason. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  Why does it matter if the name is the most commonly used because it's a shortening or if it is the most commonly used for some other reason? It's the most common name regardless. The north London football club is not relevant here because although its common name is "Arsenal" it is not the primary topic for that title, the airport in Bedfordshire is the primary topic for the title "Luton Airport" regardless of what title the article is at. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  If the longer name is used in reliable sources, in this case maps, other airports, official website etc even people in speech regularly shorten it, that's compliant wit WP:PRECISE. Shortening it could wrongly imply that "Luton Airport" is its formal and proper name. Remember WP is an encyclopedia not a blog, so we tend to use formal names if they are commonly printed, however my point about LIA v LLA might make the shortened name a better choice as pointed out. The redirect will still get readers to the correct place anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  What does WP:PRECISE say? "Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that." There seems to be a fashion for citing this policy, often rather misleadingly. It has never trumped WP:COMMONNAME unless there is real ambiguity, which there isn't here. Johnbod (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) There is no difference in precision between "Luton Airport" and "London Luton Airport" given that there are no other airports with the name, and anyway the WP:AT policy places much greater significance on WP:COMMONNAME than it does WP:PRECISE. The Glasgow airport website seems use official names (e.g. "Cornwall Airport Newquay") and so isn't evidence of the common name. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  The same logic could be used to put many subjects at incomplete names, and COMMONNAME is about what reliable sources refer to it as in a generic context, not what people necessarily refer to it as, if there is no confusion. The evidence presented so far indicates that "London" is part of the name, and that's what RS call it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  If those other common names are unambiguous then that's the title they should be at, whether it is an incomplete form of the full official name or something else. Thryduulf (talk) 19:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. It may be its official name, but nobody actually uses it. Its common name is Luton Airport. Yes, of course its official name is used on branding and on airport destination boards. That does not make it the common name in everyday usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. I get the point but I don't think it is worth changing the title of the page. Everyone still calls it just Luton Airport. Best to put something like Oxford Airport has in the opening sentence "Oxford Airport, officially known as London Oxford Airport" so on. Stevo1000 (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense drop the name change and use in the lead "London Luton Airport (IATA: LTN, ICAO: EGGW) for which the owners have adopted the name London Luton Airport, is an international airport located " etc. Let us proceed on that basis.SovalValtos (talk) 09:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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