Talk:Māori science

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Can someone elaborate further on the differences between Māori Science and Western Science? SamJsl (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2019 (UTC) What are the applications of Maori Science? Jeanne188 (talk) 14:49, 1 January 2019 Jeanne188 (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Can a source be found to support the notion that Maori Science is a decolonization of science? --Erikabucb (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The page supporting the idea of food containing geothermal toxicity does not exist. Can that be fixed? --Erikabucb (talk) 23:29, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The page supporting Ginseng and Pinus radiata co-habitation does not exist. Can that be fixed? --Erikabucb (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

There is no definitive proof that women have made "great" contributions to Maori science. Perhaps more neutral language would be helpful in making this statement? Additionally, evidence is warranted to make this statement. --Erikabucb (talk) 23:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

After suppressing the teachings and uses of Tohunga, I assume the government has continued to side with western medicine. What has come of the Tohunga teachings? Has it been used regularly since? Are there only some shamen/shawomen/medicine men and women teaching and using this? MB365W (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

There is not enough info on how women contributed to the science and there is also no elaboration on Maori versus western science. How can there be more of a connection or disconnection between the two? MKhope22 (talk) 21:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

The links to the sources from Maori Television and the Victoria University of Wellington are no longer working and should either be removed or updated. Fullertonae (talk) 04:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)Fullertonae

I was curious about the term renaissance being used to describe the revival of the mātauranga Māori (literally Māori knowledge or traditional knowledge of the Māori people). Because renaissance is a word to describe a European movement, so I wonder if it translates properly without referencing European colonialism on Maori culture? SarahJeanDixon (talk) 02:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Here is a link to an interesting discussion responding to the recent controversy over Mātauranga Māori: [1]. Marshelec (talk) 04:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Page name would be better as Mātauranga Māori

I suggest that the page name would be much better as Mātauranga Māori, particularly given the recent controversy stirred up by some academics at University of Auckland. While there is a redirect from that name at present, there are lots of sources that use the term Mātauranga Māori, and it has a broader definition/scope than "science". The article needs a lot of work, but changing the title would be a useful step towards improvement.Marshelec (talk) 08:44, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Works for me. I don't think this pages knows what it is yet. One way forward would be calling it 'Mātauranga Māori'. It could cover knowledge of the natural world as determined by Mātauranga, it could cover past, present and how that knowledge has been viewed by 'Institutional science' in those time periods as well. It seems most of the refs use Mātauranga but that could be self selective. Not that it's any of our business, but I could imagine both options getting under peoples skin from both sides. Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia could use an Indigenous knowledge as science page too, we can get onto that next. Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Hi, I think it would be best to have this article titled Mātauranga Māori. There is already a redirect from Mātauranga Māori to this page. What process should we follow here ? I don't think this move would be particularly controversial, and so based on WP:REQMOVE it seems it could be moved without a consultation or requested move process. What do you think ? If you consider it can be moved, can you help ? I am unclear about the implications of the existing redirects and how to deal with them. Marshelec (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

There's no help needed as the redirect does not have an edit history. Anybody who can move pages can move this page over that redirect. If you want to move a page and there's any chance of it being controversial, the best thing is to say so on the talk page (which you've done) and then wait for a week to see if anybody objects. If no objection, go ahead. If there is objection, then initiate the formal move request. Schwede66 09:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

A bit of a snag Marshelec. It seems Mātauranga = 'the body of knowledge originating from Māori ancestors, including the Māori world view and perspectives, Māori creativity and cultural practices.' This is a big subject and in many ways a synonym for Māori culture. I have been trying to write a Mātauranga page in my sandbox and it keeps on getting bigger and bigger. (don't judge). Dushan Jugum (talk) 00:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dusha Jugum: Good work in your Sandbox !. I think an article on Mātauranga Māori is definitely worthwhile, and deserves High Importance rating (one step below the Top Importance rating of the Māori culture article). For clarification, I don't think "Maori science" is a good or useful article title, and I think having a redirect from Maori science to Mātauranga Māori is sufficient. I see sufficient difference between Mātauranga Māori and Māori culture to justify separate articles (with interlinks). So, I am happy to chip in and help with an article on Mātauranga Māori, and you have already made a great start. My suggestion from here is that when you are happy to do so, you (a) move the existing article to Mātauranga Māori, and (b) add in all the great new content you have prepared. We can then adjust the balance of the article, work out the interlinks with Māori culture, and then consider the steps needed to get the article to the next level of quality. Does that sound ok ? Marshelec (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Good plan. Dushan Jugum (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Mātauranga Māori. Dushan Jugum (talk) 07:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)